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thank you

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UFO experts are Bell to compare their

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new your home brand of aluminum foil to

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the leading brand

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now that you're home brand

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well there you have it Harris Teeters

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knew your home brand of aluminum foil

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stops those pesky alien mind control

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waves as well as the leading brand and

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it keeps your food fresh hello stickers

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your home brand the difference it's in

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the savings

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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back I'm so happy to be here

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tonight to uh do what I hope will be

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sort of a celebration of the life of the

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late great Art Bell uh many of you you

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have heard me mention his influence on

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me and uh he is largely the reason why I

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started a show like this and the truth

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is that I wouldn't be here and neither

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would most of us that cover these topics

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if not for the Trailblazer himself Art

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Bell uh so I brought a special guest

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tonight Leah Prime who is also I heard

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her mention the legacy of Art Bell and

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how no one talks about it I thought this

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would be a great idea we should talk

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about it but before we begin tonight

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just some important business to mention

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many of you are aware of my

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very critical comments and stance

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regarding third phase of fake or third

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phase of moon

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um and uh ongoing sort of back and forth

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issues with uh third phase of moon and

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uh their employee

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and but many are of you are not aware of

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why I was so adamant that they fake so

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many things what many of you were not

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aware is that I was in communication

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with a researcher and excellent debunker

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from Reddit that goes by the name

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sapiens culture and has a YouTube

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channel UFO research

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um

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for the past several months now I've

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been communicating with that person who

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has shared a great deal of information

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about third phase and some of their

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hoaxes and how they hoax things

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one of the reasons I've been so adamant

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is because I've been in communication

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with both sapiens culture and other

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debunkers that have clearly shown with

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overwhelming evidence the amount of

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times that third face has fake things

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so sapien's culture has been collecting

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all of these hoaxes and the proof and

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overwhelming evidence that they were

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hoaxes has been collected for quite

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quite some time now

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recently I was in communication with him

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and he expressed his desire to release a

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documentary of sorts that would be two

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hours or more in length and count go

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through each of the hoaxes hoax number

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one hoax number two hoax number three

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and earlier today sapien's culture

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released that documentary to YouTube

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um calling it The hoax files third phase

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of moon

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so I was watching it on YouTube previous

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to our broadcast a little bit earlier

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before our broadcast tonight and it had

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gotten to like hoax number 32 or 33 I

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think I I've lost track really of how

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many hoaxes are in this it is two hours

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the proof of each hoax and how it was

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done how they fake things and by the way

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for the benefit of Rich from goofan also

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included in the documentary sapiens

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culture took Rich's challenge rich said

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they haven't faked anything in five

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years and so in the documentary he says

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challenge accepted and then he shows all

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of these recent hoaxes and faked videos

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and exactly how they are done

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so I'm watching this video and suddenly

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the video stopped playing I thought it

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was my YouTube connection and then

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figured out wasn't that

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I hit refresh and found that the video

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had been removed I went to email

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sabian's culture and found an email from

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him and uh what the email from him

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States is that third phase of moon hard

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striked his YouTube channel to have the

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video remove claiming copyright but very

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clearly in his uh in his documentary it

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opens with the the usual copyright

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disclaimer under Section 107 of the

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Copyright Act of 1976 allowance is made

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for fair use for purposes such as

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criticism comment news reporting

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copyright statute that might otherwise

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be infringing so he clearly was citing

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fair use and in my opinion third phase

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of moon heart striked his channel to

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have that video removed because I'm

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telling you friends I'm one of the few

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people who has seen this video it is the

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most damaging damning evidence of the

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fakery fartery and bull put out by Third

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phase ever made it goes back to their

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at the beginning and it goes all through

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them 2011 2013 2014 2015 2018 and on to

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the more recent ones 2021 and and more

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recent this work of uh of this

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researcher is important it should never

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ever be censored

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by the person that it is about and this

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is a cowardly attempt to stop people

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from seeing this overwhelming evidence

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and proof that third phase of moon

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continue to commit essentially fraud

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against the public and against YouTube

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its deceptive practices for sure it's

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against YouTube terms of service to use

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knowingly deceived people to get them to

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click on your video and honestly that's

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all they do I don't want to take any

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more time I didn't even want to talk

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about this tonight but I think it's very

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very important that people be made aware

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that third phase of moon have just tried

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to Stomp all over the free speech of a

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valid critic who has evidence it's not

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like he's just talking smack on them and

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playing their copyrighted videos you

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need to show their videos in order to

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show how they hoax them

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so that documentary uh I was gonna you

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know Let it go I was gonna mention it

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maybe I would provide a link to it but

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now

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third phase of Moon made a terrible

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error here because now that they have

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tried to stop people from seeing it I

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will be helping this researcher make

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sure that people can see it we're still

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not sure I have to figure out how we're

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going to do this but I have multiple

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platforms video platforms at my disposal

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and um we are going to post it

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everywhere

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and then third phase can try to claim

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copyright on me and get these videos

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taken down

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unlike this other user I've been through

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this before I know how to defend it and

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my lawyer letters are already

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pre-written for people who would make

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frivolous false copyright claims I will

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vigorously defend my right to broadcast

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this important work

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and that's all I have to say about that

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diligently to make sure that we get this

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video uploaded to as many platforms all

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over the internet as possible so that

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they cannot

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silence

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the criticism of their fakery and

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frottery

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and that's all I've got for you now on

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to Art Bell I mentioned what a huge

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influence Art Bell was on Me growing up

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I would get in so much trouble my father

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would come in my room you know late at

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night and yell and scream at me he threw

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a radio against a wall once in

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frustration because I would turn it off

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and then as soon as my father went back

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to bed I would turn it back on I would

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get in so much trouble uh the two people

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had gotten a lot of trouble for was him

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and Howard Stern I used to cut school

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just to listen to Howard Stern and get

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in trouble

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so despite the trouble that Art Bell and

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Howard Stern have got me and of course

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they were big influences on me and made

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me so interested in this thing called

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broadcasting you mean I could have a

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microphone and thousands or Millions

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like like in their case millions of

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people all around the world can hear

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what I have to say and what I have to

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talk about and important things and I

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can interview guests and learn great

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things Art Bell was just an incredible

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influence and I think

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you know most people many people

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recognize his contribution but a lot of

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it gets lost and

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um he has you know

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just been a huge influence on me

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especially I called my first show The

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Midnight Hour in homage to his midnight

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in the desert

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um interestingly I once got uh denied

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being on that Art Bell network because I

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wasn't enough like Art Bell they wanted

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me to clone Art Bell better to be on

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their Network and I wouldn't do that

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that's a whole nother story but joining

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me tonight uh to talk about the the

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legacy of Art Bell we have Leah Prime so

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welcome Leah Prime

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for having me

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um and I was cracking up backstage

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listening to your story because I have

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stories just like that my father with my

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radio with my parents yeah

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yeah like my parents yelling about it

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staying up all night you know and I was

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in like sixth grade seventh grade yeah

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and uh yeah it's this it's the same

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story with me right like I wouldn't be

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here if it weren't for our belt

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open a uh I mean I've been in amateur

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radio operator since I was like nine

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years old even have a big tattoo I've

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had a pie in my farm over radio it was

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so funny I had a pirate CB radio station

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and I used to just key the mic and I

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would I taped it so that it would stay

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keyed and I would put it to a record

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player when I was very very incredible

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and just play records and then when the

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record stopped I would play DJ and you

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know uh you know my father was a CB guy

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so there you go yeah and I think it's I

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mean right here is Arts Legacy too

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because he had this great kind of

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subversive streak on a platformer and a

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media that was otherwise pretty like

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buttoned up and conservative you know

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like he was the only one having these

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conversations uh at the peak of coast to

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coast so um I'm sure most of the people

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here know who he is but um Art Bell was

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the original host of Coast to Coast AM

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overnight talk show and it's Peak it had

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the third largest audience so syndicated

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on over 400 stations it was only behind

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like Rush Limbaugh and Maurice

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Schlesinger at its peak so we're talking

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like millions of listeners every night

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from I think it was like 1am to 6 a.m

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um and I I've been a listener basically

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my entire life

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um I always say I don't know [\h__\h] about

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UFOs but I know a lot about our Bell

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I wouldn't say that no I've heard you

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discuss it and and one of the things I

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like about you is that you bring in you

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bring in other people who are experts I

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do that like I'm not an expert on

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certain things if I need to know about

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this you know you you had this recent

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episode where you had the history of

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Nazism and its influence in UFOs and he

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brought in Louis caitano and others that

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were very knowledgeable about that so I

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would say no nothing you're doing it the

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right way though you're getting an

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expert when you're lacking in the

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knowledge right what uh what's cracking

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me up over this too and Stephen kind of

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what got me turned on to your show

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pretty recently so like I kind of moved

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back into ufology just a couple months

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it's been a dark time in my life so

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um and I bring this up just because I

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saw that you were running shows

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basically exposing Jonathan Reed and I

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can remember so distinctly hearing

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Jonathan read on coast to coast in the

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mid 90s telling his like spinning his

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story and you know I was probably 12 13

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years old absolutely petrified right

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like listening to this and using dial-up

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internet to get to artbell.com and look

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at the pictures

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um and uh here I am gosh 25 years later

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listening uh to you talk about Jonathan

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Reed watching all the same characters

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keep trotting out the same stories right

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like Stephen Greer is still around

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um Jonathan Reed

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um all these different characters Linda

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Bolton Howe Whitley streber

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um

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all these people that had tons of air

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time in the 90s early odds uh that are

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still sort of existing in this community

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um yeah they're telling them telling the

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same story yes they don't go away you

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know and things go in Cycles I noticed

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like like Reed I was surprised to see

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him pop back up again because his story

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had been so thoroughly debunked as

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garbage and that he wasn't a real doctor

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that wasn't his real name his dog didn't

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die it like it was so bad and the

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so-called doctors that he said did the

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alien tissue sample analysis turned out

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to be a guy working at a convenience

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store that wasn't a doctor just a friend

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of his that he paid to lie and and do an

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interview about the tissue samples and

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it was so ridiculous and then the fact

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that like Jimmy church is going to host

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that guy and sit there and call him

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doctor for two hours right it's just

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bizarre I could and I too remember that

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whole story on Art Bell the first time I

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think it was in 1996 as I recall but

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yeah that sounds about right yeah and I

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couldn't believe that it popped back up

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you know yeah I know well that's like

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like the last time I was into this stuff

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Stephen Greer was almost legit like

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that's when he was on these disclosure

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events at the end yeah it was a long

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time ago yeah it's like 20 years ago

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um and now I come back and I'm like oh

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my God he's running an expensive cult

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that people join to meditate together

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this is absolute Insanity

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um but you know I I feel like look some

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are tied up like what four and a half

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years ago the world is a different place

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over the last four years

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um and our media environment's very

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different but so much of the content

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creators were informed and shaped by him

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like he has this Monumental Legacy on

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like the podcast Thai strangeness you

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followed you space

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um and I've been surprised that there's

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been kind of less discussion even in an

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abstract sense about how he kind of

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kicked off a lot of these movements

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um sure did I mean you know what I think

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a lot of that is ego though some guys

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like to pretend like that this was all

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their show was all their great idea you

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know and at least in my case I

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acknowledged what a huge influence I I

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had I've always since I was a child a

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very very young child I'm told by my

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family like uh I've had terrible

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terrible insomnia so something like Art

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Bell on late at night you know

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interesting stories interesting guests

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Fantastical things I gravitated to that

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and uh of course I had an influence on

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me you know I don't know why so many

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others don't you know uh give him the

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the credit that he deserves for many of

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them because many of the shows many of

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the shows are an absolute clone of the

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Art Bell show in fact he had that dark

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matter Radio Network

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which I when I first did my show sent in

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demos and tried to get on there and they

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said I wasn't enough like arbel and then

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they wanted me to change all these

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things and and by the way I had

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apologized to Linda Moulton Howe and

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somebody else who I don't recall before

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they would instead of putting it Mia

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culpas yeah before they would considered

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putting me on the network and I'm like

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well no stand by what I said about her

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I'm not gonna apologize and and then I

404
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had this bizarre conversation with I

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think it's Ian Parker which was one of

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the people that replaced Art Bell at one

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time

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and I said oh you'd pun it did you touch

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it yeah yeah and I go I I don't

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understand you want me to just clone Art

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Bell show he's like yeah that's what we

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do here we have everybody that's just

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like Art Bell and I'm like that makes no

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sense I can't be you know I can't be a

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better Art Bell why would I even try you

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know I have my own

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style and it just ended funny with the

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no I'm not going to apologize so I

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didn't get the deal

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yeah well and there's like

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I mean

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the culture and Landscape is different

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but there's really a vacuum too like

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nobody's effectively stepped into his

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shoes and I don't think anyone really

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can at this point you know you have

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people like in like fits and stars that

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are trying to occupy that same Niche

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um they're not doing it very

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successfully

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um and they're also you know I mean in

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Coast to Coast I am right now is it

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exists you know hosted by George Nori is

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like a pretty uh anemic version of its

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prior self

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um oh I I'm really not it's like

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unreasonably bad I haven't listened to

438
00:19:54,409 --> 00:19:50,820
it try to not say it but I'm gonna say

439
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:54,419
it it's George snory it's so bad and and

440
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just the the level of uh and even Art

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Bell talked about this before he died he

442
00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:03,539
talked about like how bad that he didn't

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00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,400
even want his name associated with Coast

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to Coast after a while because it just

445
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:09,660
seemed like they were willing to do any

446
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sensationalist thing to get viewers but

447
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of course after Belle left the viewers

448
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,980
dropped significantly and now it's in

449
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the crapper it's nowhere yeah the

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syndication numbers are like like a

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fifth or something of what they were at

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the height it's

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talk about the technological achievement

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that that Art Bell I mean he didn't

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invent syndication but people don't

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00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:33,780
realize this this is before the internet

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in order to get listened to or or

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broadcast all over the country there had

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to be a radio station every like 50 or

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100 miles to to to take his show and you

461
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know his show feed and then boost it out

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to to the local area so it was a

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tremendous even technological

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achievement he had three or 500 stations

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at their height all broadcasting from

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you needed a broadcast tower which he

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had and all the things that he needed he

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he figured out and he might have figured

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that out during Vietnam when he was sort

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of like a pirate radio station guy in

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Vietnam which is another interesting

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thing

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he uh like most of the stations tour AM

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stations which propagate way better at

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night time so like that's weird I never

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heard of that but that makes sense right

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I'm I'm from upstate New York and we

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have this 50 000 watt Boomer here uh 810

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WGY it's like one of the first big uh AM

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stations and when I've lived all over

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um at night time I can pick up WGY like

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on a clear evening

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um so the station propagation is really

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good but just the fact you're anxiety

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right like the fact that he was able to

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support this from his house and Pahrump

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Nevada right like in the high desert you

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know 90 miles outside of Vegas

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um also known as nowhere nowhere Nevada

490
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it is like Art Bell is the claim to fame

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and like the Nevada Test Site

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um so yeah there's like nothing there

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um but here's supporting it and I also

494
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remember there was a brief spell where

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he was broadcasting from the Philippines

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so like after his wife Ramona died he

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remarried pretty quickly this woman uh

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Aaron Ruiz out of Manila and he moved

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there for a spell and they had like an

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ISDN line or something set up in some

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high-rise in the Philippines so he could

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continue broadcasting like the amount of

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kind of like technological

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uh capacity that was exerted to make

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sure he could keep his show up is pretty

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impressive

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yeah it was interesting that he was able

508
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to still broadcast Nationwide and am was

509
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kind of I don't know for me am was

510
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always crappy you know it was always

511
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like more staticky than FM I would

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prefer to listen on FM but you got to do

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what you got to do you know no way man

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the static is part of the like thing

515
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like the set and setting for arpel is

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critical static am night time you know

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it adds to the kind of ambiance if

518
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you're getting this like super high def

519
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,000
broadcast I feel like you lose something

520
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,520
yeah I don't know but it was interesting

521
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that you know even before the internet

522
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he he was being listened to by like

523
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millions and millions of people and I

524
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consider the internet the great

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equalizer in some ways because it gives

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everyone

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at least I don't want to call it a Level

528
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Playing Field because we can see

529
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examples how like YouTube if you're a

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major media Corporation you're at the

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top of the search engines always but at

532
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least it gives people a chance and

533
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:38,820
people who are independent trying to

534
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think of good examples and the only

535
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,460
examples I could think of are like

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really right-wing leaning people but

537
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still they were able to get audiences of

538
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millions of people back then there was

539
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:50,400
it was like mission impossible to get an

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audience of millions of people listening

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but he he did it through sheer

542
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determination and force of will and

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getting all these Affiliates and getting

544
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,780
it and and I remember that he used to

545
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,460
announce new Affiliates from time to

546
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,320
time or new stations that were

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00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:06,840
broadcasting his show and and it was

548
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,520
always it always seemed like he was just

549
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:10,919
spreading out like a web across the

550
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:13,500
whole country and and later World you

551
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:14,700
know

552
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,240
yeah yeah his his growth was incredible

553
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,340
um you know he was he also did a great

554
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,080
job basically exploding an untapped

555
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:24,000
market like this overnight slot

556
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,559
station's always had difficulty feeling

557
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,179
so the fact that he stepped in and did

558
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,280
that was impressive and nobody wanted

559
00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:31,740
that slide yeah nobody wanted that slot

560
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:33,539
he the only reason he got it was he was

561
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,700
working as like a broadcast engineer and

562
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:37,200
one of the stations he worked at was

563
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,820
like hey we need someone to cover from

564
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,740
like one to four a.m can you do it and

565
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:42,360
he started doing it he was broadcasting

566
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,220
out of some broadcast studio in the Las

567
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,140
Vegas Strip I think it might have even

568
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:47,760
been in a casino

569
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,179
um but you know he he also was exploding

570
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,280
like that the kind of burgeoning

571
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:56,880
appetite that 90s and early Arts culture

572
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,340
had for these kinds of subjects right so

573
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,919
like before the internet was like before

574
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,360
we were all like mainlining the internet

575
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,240
24 7 like the way you heard about this

576
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,760
stuff was basically through Art Bell or

577
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:10,860
like Twin Peaks or the X-Files maybe if

578
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:12,299
you're into Comics you read like Grant

579
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,799
Morrisons the Invisibles or something

580
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,039
but like to hear these these subjects

581
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,919
spoken about in a public forum in a way

582
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,840
that they were treated I mean Artois

583
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,460
said he was an Entertainer but like he

584
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,860
gave them he was extremely credulous he

585
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,600
didn't dismiss people unless you know

586
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,820
they've personally pissed him off on the

587
00:25:32,110 --> 00:25:31,140
show

588
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:32,120
um

589
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:35,400
and this was I think kind of popular

590
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:37,260
culture's first exposure to a lot of

591
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,659
these Fringe ideas like Bill Cooper like

592
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:41,400
he was broadcasting around this time too

593
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:42,539
but like he didn't have this kind of

594
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:44,039
audience like he was broadcasting that

595
00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:45,120
shortwave

596
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:48,900
um way smaller Niche yeah yeah more of a

597
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,720
niche and and uh and and and really

598
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:53,880
Fringe group of people that were

599
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:55,860
interested in Bill what Bill Cooper had

600
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,380
to say I think our Bell popularized it

601
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:00,900
for anybody even if they had just a

602
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:03,659
passing interest in any any subject he

603
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,600
talked about could tune in and and enjoy

604
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,360
themselves listening you know but I did

605
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,940
at times have problems with you called

606
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,159
it being credulous I some may say

607
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,779
gullible but I don't think he was

608
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,480
gullible I think he was just willing to

609
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,760
listen you know yeah he was he was he

610
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:22,559
was a master showman right like I think

611
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,820
at the end of the day he was a deeply

612
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,700
skeptical professional who understood

613
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:28,080
the entertainment value of who he

614
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,880
brought on the show and he brought in I

615
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,620
mean all sorts of people across all the

616
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,559
spectrum of beliefs and identity

617
00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:35,760
indented him with all these paranormal

618
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,279
subjects and ufology but he had like you

619
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:40,140
know uh like Merle Haggard Willie Nelson

620
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,850
George Carlin did one of his final shows

621
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:48,900
with him in 1999.

622
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,220
um he had the author of the Turner

623
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,140
Diaries on in the mid 90s William Luther

624
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:53,520
Pierce

625
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,779
um I mean yeah that guy said a whole

626
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,760
bunch of racist stuff too and he's a

627
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:57,960
little bit of hot water for that I

628
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:59,159
remember you said a whole bunch of

629
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,900
racist stuff and art went back at him

630
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:02,340
and was like you know I'm married to

631
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,900
like yeah right that guest that guest

632
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,820
did not know that Art Bell was married

633
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,159
to a Filipino woman and he sat there

634
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:13,200
being interviewed by arpel and he said

635
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,539
any white person that marries a

636
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,340
non-white person is a traitor to the

637
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,980
white race and Art Bell like there was a

638
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:22,320
long black silence all over him yeah and

639
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:23,820
then he said you know what did you know

640
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:27,360
my wife is Filipino you know and then

641
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,400
the guy

642
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:31,260
you know trying to backpedal that was a

643
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:32,580
great show I remember that one

644
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:33,779
specifically

645
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,610
preparing for this show so I could kind

646
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:42,059
of put a few coherent thoughts together

647
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,620
I was going through like my mental

648
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:45,299
Rolodex of like all the different guests

649
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:46,740
like one of the ones that was really

650
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,360
formative for me anyone who knows me

651
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:49,919
will not be surprised was Terence

652
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:52,620
McKenna right like 15 16 year old Leah

653
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:53,940
sitting in my bedroom listening to

654
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,279
Terence McKenna yeah that was like my

655
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,520
life I remember that one too and that

656
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:02,880
one made me want to do LSD yeah that one

657
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,480
made me want to try it and and maybe a

658
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,360
year after that show I did and I didn't

659
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:12,240
regret it you know but I think that I

660
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,980
was a little more educated and prepared

661
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,480
I never thought like oh this is going to

662
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:17,760
be a party time drug you know I was

663
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:20,220
listening to McKenna and then I got one

664
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,460
of his books and uh just hooked on that

665
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:25,679
like yeah let's explore Consciousness in

666
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,500
Inner Space and you know yep see what

667
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,360
this is about you know and this was

668
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:31,919
going to allow me to expand my

669
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,100
Consciousness and and this is stuff that

670
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,159
I heard on Arc Bell so yeah maybe he had

671
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,260
an influencer many people as far as that

672
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:42,240
is concerned too because how many people

673
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:43,980
heard that broadcast and thought I got

674
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,000
to try this

675
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,279
I gotta try it see what it's about

676
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,960
yeah I mean I just think of it all as

677
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,820
just being woven into this Counter

678
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,740
Culture of the 90s like Robert and like

679
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,900
I can I I so distinctly remember it and

680
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,460
I also like to just take it background

681
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:58,320
like I was raised in a very conservative

682
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,820
Jewish household not politically

683
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:00,960
conservative but like Jewish

684
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:03,720
conservative so like I don't watch TV

685
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,020
like like I I to this day I still don't

686
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:08,880
watch TV or movies like radio is my

687
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,200
media outlet and um and and I'm a reader

688
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,539
right right instead of turning out super

689
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,100
innocent I'm reading and listening about

690
00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:19,080
drugs and aliens and like all this

691
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:20,899
that's so funny

692
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,220
I worked for a pretty conservative

693
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:25,679
Jewish family and they were big on radio

694
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:31,140
and and the my boss said Well Radio is

695
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,940
better and I said why he said because

696
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:34,980
you can work while you listen

697
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:37,700
and that makes a lot of sense

698
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:40,919
yeah but yeah you sit there and you're

699
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:44,159
just yeah man TV thinks for you like

700
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,399
it's like one of my like hot takes is I

701
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,140
think TV is like really deleterious to

702
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,240
people's minds but I'm also biased I

703
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:53,100
literally like I had not seen any TV

704
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,539
I've seen a couple episodes of The

705
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:56,100
X-Files

706
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,580
um but but like I made an exception for

707
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,559
that and thank you Patrick seeing for

708
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,480
your kindness generosity and Sport I

709
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,120
totally agree yeah and isn't it funny

710
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:08,399
though that like I don't know for me

711
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:10,500
I've always been scared of television

712
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,940
and movies and getting sucked into

713
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:14,159
wasting too much time because a very

714
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,460
time focused and and I don't you know I

715
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:19,500
have friends that spend eight hours a

716
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:22,140
day watching Netflix and I go what else

717
00:30:26,409 --> 00:30:24,179
could you do with that eight hours a day

718
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,419
you know I can't I can't do that myself

719
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:28,740
people ask me all the time like how do

720
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:30,120
you have time and energy to do all this

721
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:31,620
stuff and I'm like dude I don't work a

722
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,720
second job in front of my TV like I

723
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,640
don't watch Netflix I didn't any of that

724
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,159
stuff but I do listen to a hell of a lot

725
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,360
of weird stuff

726
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:41,940
um but yeah I mean I just think of this

727
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,220
kind of tapestry of like mid 90s kind of

728
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,840
Counter Culture figures right like I

729
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,340
think of our Bell I think of Terence

730
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,500
McKenna for me like Robert Anton Wilson

731
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:52,020
falls into that category

732
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,659
um because I mean this is also well

733
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,340
before you were being algorithmically

734
00:31:00,610 --> 00:30:58,020
delivered this kind of content like I

735
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:00,620
was finding this concept

736
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:14,450
and then I would just I would like binge

737
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,440
read everything on fidonet that happened

738
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:18,960
in the past yeah or totes yeah and they

739
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,179
would have to attack files of like what

740
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:23,880
Bob Lazar said on Art Bell that week or

741
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:26,940
whatever it was funny yeah yeah well and

742
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:28,740
I mean like think of all the people we

743
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:31,500
know now in like the ufology universe or

744
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:33,059
like the sort of high strangeness

745
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,340
universe that we're really like birthed

746
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:37,320
out of coast to coast it's like George

747
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,039
Knapp John Lear Bob Lazar

748
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:43,860
um Timothy good oh man I can't believe I

749
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:46,140
don't remember that I thought it was the

750
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,880
author of that one book I think it's

751
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,860
like Beyond top secret or something like

752
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:52,020
that he's an English researcher and he's

753
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,299
quite gullible and I think Art Bell lost

754
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,980
his patience with him during an

755
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,740
interview and just hung up on him and

756
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,480
then he took calls for the rest of the

757
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:02,940
night and and that was a big show as

758
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,880
well yeah this afternoon when I was like

759
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,740
seeking Art Bell inspiration I was

760
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,120
listening to an interview I think it was

761
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:11,220
with George Green who made some comment

762
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,840
about how Ted Kennedy did a bunch of

763
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,820
coke and tried to like sleep with George

764
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,100
Green's daughter who was 14 and Art Bell

765
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,440
got like super flipped out disgusted

766
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:21,120
hung up and just like cruised on the

767
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,580
rest of the show like

768
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,140
uh it constantly well back then he

769
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,880
couldn't talk about that stuff you know

770
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,799
yeah you can't say those things on radio

771
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:30,779
yeah

772
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:34,559
interesting though you're right about

773
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:37,580
the algorithmic feeding I maintain

774
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,260
several different uh internet accounts

775
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,960
to try to avoid that you know especially

776
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,000
when it comes to news because people

777
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:46,919
don't realize but even the news that

778
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,380
comes across your feed is curated for

779
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,779
you they figure out you're right leaning

780
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:54,000
you're left leaning your libertarian or

781
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:55,860
whatever you are they think they figure

782
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,520
it out and then they only feed you what

783
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:01,620
you what they think that you will click

784
00:33:08,289 --> 00:33:04,679
on and consume and that's very not a

785
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:08,299
good way to get your news you know

786
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,820
right in in the days of our Bell with

787
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:14,039
his show you head to number one there

788
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,539
was no streaming you couldn't listen

789
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,179
whenever you had to you had to schedule

790
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:20,880
it like okay it's the weekend I'm gonna

791
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:23,159
listen to Coast to Coast at this time

792
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,100
I'm gonna turn my radio on and tune the

793
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,019
world out that was one of the things

794
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,000
that I did love about Art Bell that I

795
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:32,399
try to do here myself is that especially

796
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,159
through the pandemic I realized uh that

797
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,340
people wanted an escape and that's what

798
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:40,799
Art Bell was for me as well like I would

799
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:43,260
tune that on turn that on and I would

800
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:46,220
tune out the entire universe and just

801
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,220
listen to the guest in him and imagine

802
00:33:55,149 --> 00:33:52,559
the possibilities so it was a huge

803
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:55,159
Escape for I'm sure more than me right

804
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,620
oh yeah and it was also a political I

805
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,720
mean he identified as like a lowercase a

806
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,179
Libertarian so back before it was trendy

807
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:05,760
I guess but he deliberately went away

808
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,940
like he had a political show in the 80s

809
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,440
and deliberately left it behind because

810
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:12,419
he thought it was exhausting like he

811
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,800
understood the entertainment value of

812
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,119
the medium

813
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:17,639
um and did a great job showcasing it

814
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:19,500
oh yeah I remember the Above Top Secret

815
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,679
message that's been a lot worse a lot of

816
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,200
hours there in my in a high school me

817
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,240
too spooky said English researchers are

818
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:29,159
the worst I would tend to I mean that's

819
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:32,300
fair that's fair yeah

820
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,639
and Australians like Ross colthorpe I

821
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:37,320
have definitive proof of alien

822
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,149
um so yeah were there like any episodes

823
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:45,899
or guests that stand out in your mind

824
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:48,300
Stephen well I certainly always tuned in

825
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,000
when there was Bob Lazar or or George

826
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:54,720
Knapp talking about Bob Lazar or

827
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:57,839
um any anything that was UFO related I

828
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:00,119
was instantly you know once in a while

829
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,740
when he did those shows about like

830
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,960
werewolves or Shadow People I would be a

831
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,280
little disappointed but I would still

832
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,740
listen but it was the UFO shows that got

833
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:09,540
me especially the Bob Lazar stuff

834
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:12,900
because at the time I was totally a

835
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,820
Believer I thought Bob Lazar is the real

836
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:16,740
deal and oh you had like a True Believer

837
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:19,380
phase oh I did I didn't know better you

838
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:20,760
know I didn't know that you have to dig

839
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:23,700
deeper and and and for some reason at

840
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,740
the time Bob Lazar just resonated I was

841
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,140
like oh it's proof of everything I that

842
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,140
I believed already so I love it you know

843
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:33,420
yeah well this is also this is also the

844
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:34,920
era of like the Tuesday night Fox

845
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,140
special of alien autopsies right like

846
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,240
yes this is a very particular media

847
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,460
environment to cultivate these beliefs

848
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,339
yeah it's interesting too that I'm sure

849
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:46,440
that Art Bell probably did some shows on

850
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:49,320
alien autopsy as I recall but not oh

851
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,260
yeah not before I think before it got

852
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:55,200
totally busted as a hoax because I don't

853
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:56,820
blame him after it gets totally busted

854
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,960
as a hoax you don't want to remind

855
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,540
people that you were all chips in on it

856
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:03,540
it was so popular at the time

857
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,619
yeah

858
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,420
um oh I see one of the comments here you

859
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,920
can still check out you can still see

860
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:09,480
the original artfo website it's on

861
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,020
archive.org the original let's play the

862
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:16,020
OG Keith Rollins with the like Star Trek

863
00:36:22,990 --> 00:36:19,400
panels and the like

864
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:23,000
animated gifs yes yeah yeah yeah

865
00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:25,020
stepping back in time

866
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,660
I I just visited there to get some

867
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:29,880
background information on Jonathan Reed

868
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,099
because I remembered that it was on it

869
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,760
was on artball.com when he originally

870
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,980
you know I'm gonna see how far back it

871
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,839
goes I'm looking at it now it goes far

872
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:42,720
it goes back to like 1996 I think

873
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:44,040
um I was clicking around on it earlier

874
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:46,020
today

875
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:48,900
wow yeah you're right it goes back to

876
00:36:54,609 --> 00:36:52,260
1999 I think we'll see how far back boy

877
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:54,619
I remember those web pages remember

878
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:57,420
programming a web page and notepad with

879
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:00,060
HTML yeah

880
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,900
CSS just writing it yeah

881
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,300
everybody The Glory Days of the internet

882
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,880
everybody asks me why I don't have a

883
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,980
website for the show and I say I don't

884
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:12,420
think people would want to see my

885
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,660
notepad written HTML website today you

886
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:17,940
know I have to somebody that knows what

887
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:20,339
they're doing this is some of it yeah

888
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,339
and look at this house it's such a blast

889
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,920
from the past this is how crude the

890
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:27,599
internet used to be how to keep those

891
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,880
images tiny because of people on dial up

892
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,740
this image would take a few minutes yeah

893
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,780
it took like a minute to show up to show

894
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,760
up and then you would get the text links

895
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,859
you know yeah

896
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:40,260
and and it's interesting here we have

897
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,420
this is from 1999

898
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:44,460
Joseph fermage

899
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,440
the dog's Death Wish I don't remember

900
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:49,079
that one the Y2K bug I got carried away

901
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:52,920
by the Y2K oh yeah that was big on here

902
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:54,740
yeah

903
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,480
I was kind of silly too like you can't

904
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,460
overstate how much

905
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,480
um

906
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,700
just in the I guess like popular

907
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,040
imagination like Y2K loomed over people

908
00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:08,040
in the mid and late 90s and Art Bell dug

909
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,220
so hard into that

910
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:12,240
apocalypse you're right the coming

911
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,099
apocalypse and here's Daniel Brinkley

912
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,980
I'm sorry beautiful Echo so I don't mean

913
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:18,660
to talk over you Danny and Brinkley

914
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,700
Daniel Brinkley's the guy who was

915
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,760
working with uh with David Wilcock

916
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:25,859
recently that died a whole bunch of

917
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:28,260
times oh there's not images but Daniel

918
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,180
Brinkley is a guy who claims to have

919
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,400
near-death experiences and every time he

920
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:34,920
has he needs money he dies again and

921
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,170
near-death experiences and every time he

922
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,920
dies and has a near-death experience he

923
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:52,140
writes a book but he got busted real bad

924
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,640
because he claims he woke up in the

925
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:55,440
morgue and stuff and the doctors at that

926
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,060
hospital are like that's absolute

927
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,520
garbage that never happened he claims he

928
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,619
woke up in the morgue with a toe tag on

929
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:04,200
they thought he was dead or something oh

930
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,980
it's a great story yeah the breadth of

931
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:09,780
grifters on this show were amazing like

932
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,540
I like like um who is it that was just

933
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,460
in federal prison like Sean David Warren

934
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,440
Sean David Mort was on Art Bell many

935
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:19,020
many times yeah yeah and then was uh

936
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,540
thrown in the clink for uh Securities

937
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:24,240
fraud yeah he stole millions of dollars

938
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:26,579
from people's grandmas a bunch of old

939
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,460
ladies and stuff real stand-up guy and

940
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:31,740
oh David Adair who's still around David

941
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:34,740
Adair oh man David he was the one who

942
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,540
talked about being tapped for like one

943
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,180
of the uh like Air Force programs in

944
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,400
high school I think and

945
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,160
maybe was it serpo or like some Exchange

946
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,320
program or something guys and that guy's

947
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,240
out there I try to interview him a few

948
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,980
times and he always scheduled and then

949
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:52,320
canceled at the last minute because I

950
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:54,180
I'm I'm terrible person I didn't tell

951
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,780
but I I want him to talk about these he

952
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,300
sells these really expensive like stupid

953
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,280
magic wands made out of brass and

954
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:04,079
crystals and [\h__\h] for like five hundred

955
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,020
dollars and he makes all kinds of

956
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:09,660
campaigns about what these magic wands

957
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,500
do and you know sacred geometry and all

958
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:15,660
this weirdness but of course there's no

959
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:17,339
proof they do anything other than fill

960
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:18,839
his pockets with money from stupid

961
00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:19,980
people

962
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,020
uh Michael crimo he's still around

963
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:27,839
this is a list of past guests from art

964
00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:30,980
Bell's website from 1999. Stand Down

965
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:35,300
yeah Jim delatoso he's another one

966
00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:39,260
self-described image expert image and

967
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,300
analysis expert that didn't go to

968
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,700
college he faked his education well Matt

969
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,040
drudge was on that list yeah look at

970
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:49,320
that Stanton Freeman of course was there

971
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:52,740
yeah he's in for him Mark that's right

972
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,700
he had Mark and Mark Fuhrman went on a

973
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,800
he went on the kind of rant that now

974
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,660
would get him probably killed in the

975
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,579
street talking about the O.J Simpson

976
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:04,440
trial

977
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:06,180
oh yeah

978
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,280
yeah it is funny it was a slightly

979
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,079
different time once in a while I

980
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:12,000
listened to some of the old barbell

981
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:13,800
shows and I'm kind of surprised at what

982
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:16,980
people talk about and how there's like a

983
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:20,220
lot more almost like like right out in

984
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:22,140
the open racism and stuff that people

985
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:24,420
yeah they're not subtle about it people

986
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:26,099
used to be allowed to say those kind of

987
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:28,020
things and not get canceled but not

988
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,700
anymore you know

989
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:32,160
oh and Dolores Cannon she I have some of

990
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,400
her books Nostradamus prophecy books

991
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:38,880
Charles Cagle Brad Butler some of these

992
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,460
names are not familiar to me but major

993
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:43,740
at Dames he was a big remote here we go

994
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,980
Courtney Brown so I I actually shot you

995
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:48,660
a message on Twitter so I have this

996
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:50,460
episode talking about Courtney Brown and

997
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,320
Heaven's Gate it was from like November

998
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,800
19th 1996 talking about the UFO

999
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,260
following hail Bob which is largely

1000
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:00,300
credited for influencing the Heaven's

1001
00:42:04,569 --> 00:42:02,339
Gate suicide since they literally linked

1002
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:04,579
star Bell's website off their website

1003
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:08,880
yeah yeah that was really sad oh Stephen

1004
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,119
Bassett he's been bringing he's been I

1005
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,160
remember him promising UFO disclosures

1006
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,160
coming any day now on Art Bell 30 years

1007
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,859
yeah 30 years he's still promising next

1008
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:21,359
year is going to be a big year for

1009
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:24,660
disclosure I just know it

1010
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,619
foreign

1011
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,079
yeah that's funny how many of them are

1012
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:30,720
still round and still kicking around you

1013
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,960
know uh selling their Wares right yep

1014
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,760
telling the exact same story to new

1015
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:37,200
people

1016
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:38,040
um

1017
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,500
yes

1018
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:42,359
somebody once I I was once talking to

1019
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,560
somebody that's been around in this

1020
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,200
thing for 50 years and I know I said I

1021
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,880
don't understand how these people pop

1022
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:49,980
back up like so much

1023
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,040
and they said well uh new people come in

1024
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,920
all the time so people just forget they

1025
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,079
just don't they didn't know they were

1026
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:00,599
full of it and so they're willing to

1027
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:02,940
listen and have an open mind and you

1028
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:03,150
know

1029
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:04,440
[Music]

1030
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:06,599
but also True Believers want to believe

1031
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:09,060
right it's a religious thing right it's

1032
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,020
like it's fundamental it's like

1033
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,599
fundamentalist religion it's uh not only

1034
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,940
do they continue believing but every

1035
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,980
proof that their belief is wrong just

1036
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:19,020
further encourages them to strengthen

1037
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:20,280
their faith that they're going to have

1038
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:21,720
disclosure

1039
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,339
Patrick Shane is mentioning father

1040
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,339
Malachi oh yeah that's another great

1041
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,619
he's a real one he's an OG that's those

1042
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:31,260
are great he was and I'm Catholic so for

1043
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:34,200
me that was like a big deal because

1044
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,560
and generally in Catholicism the priests

1045
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,480
you can ask them questions but they try

1046
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:42,900
to like not talk about demons and demon

1047
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,960
possession and exorcism you know they

1048
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:47,640
don't want to encourage people to be too

1049
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:50,760
curious about the the world of demons

1050
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:53,880
and stuff the cool stuff yeah and I grew

1051
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,859
up Catholic so that's all I wanted to

1052
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,780
know about from the priests you know I

1053
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,240
used to get in trouble you know and then

1054
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:02,220
I got a copy

1055
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,160
I I was an altar boy and I went into the

1056
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,160
priests had their own Library like uh or

1057
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,319
study I guess I would call it a library

1058
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,140
the bookshelves on both sides of a huge

1059
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,079
room you know and I got the Roman the

1060
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:18,380
Roman right which is the exorcism ritual

1061
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,380
and both English and Latin and I was and

1062
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,240
I borrowed that book and got in a lot of

1063
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,520
trouble for borrowing that book I don't

1064
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,560
know I don't think they would have mined

1065
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:30,060
it if I borrowed any other book but

1066
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,740
because I borrowed that specific book

1067
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,420
they wanted to why are you so interested

1068
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:35,579
in this and they're that's cool it's the

1069
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,099
devil yeah it's the interesting stuff

1070
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,380
it's not the boring stuff yeah Malachi

1071
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,119
Martin was awesome right he was a like

1072
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:44,940
an ex Exorcist right spend time at the

1073
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,880
Vatican former guest is here Cal korff

1074
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,859
was a guest on Art Bell several times

1075
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:51,660
says I'm grateful Art Bell for the

1076
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,579
three-point Act five hour debate against

1077
00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:56,400
Jim delatoso who admitted he had a fake

1078
00:45:03,890 --> 00:44:59,720
PHD during that that's great incredible

1079
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,900
yeah and and uh calcorff was on the bad

1080
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:05,880
side of Art Bell for a while I can't

1081
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,140
remember but they got in some kind of

1082
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,300
beef or spat and people still bring it

1083
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:12,119
up and it happened so many years ago and

1084
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,280
kalkor had to like apologize to our Bell

1085
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,560
and then they were okay so I I don't

1086
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,000
know what all that but that was a bunch

1087
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,700
of controversy and anybody who dislikes

1088
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:22,920
calcor now always brings that up like

1089
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,540
didn't you get thrown off of Art Bell

1090
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,180
show or something like you know yeah

1091
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:29,280
distinction of being kicked off I think

1092
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,220
he kicked a lot of people off and you

1093
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,140
know along with all the good with arcbel

1094
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,720
there was some like I I always remember

1095
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:38,940
hearing rumors of him being extremely

1096
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,240
short fused at times like one time I

1097
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:44,099
just heard from a I'm not surprised to

1098
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:45,660
hear that I just heard from a guest that

1099
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,339
threw him off the show because the guy

1100
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,440
only had a cell phone and he was like no

1101
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,720
no you're not coming on my show with a

1102
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,520
shitty sounded cell phone get a landline

1103
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:54,960
or you're not coming on my show and he

1104
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:58,260
hung up on him yeah well in like a

1105
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,119
perfect example of like never meet your

1106
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,680
Heroes

1107
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,660
um like I've been doing deep Dives just

1108
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,339
into his biography I read his

1109
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,140
autobiography The Art of Talk it's

1110
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:08,880
available actually on archive.org you

1111
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,099
can just read the whole thing oh I gotta

1112
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,160
do that but he he was a deeply

1113
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:16,619
unpleasant person I think like in his

1114
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,599
personal life it was kind of rough like

1115
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,520
maybe he was like a Gruff kind of old

1116
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,440
man you know I had an uncle like that he

1117
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,880
was a great guy but he was always in a

1118
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,980
bad mood it was always a peak engineer

1119
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,660
personality like and I don't mean

1120
00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:29,640
computer touch or engineer I mean like

1121
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:31,619
build with your hands like radio

1122
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,940
engineer

1123
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:34,560
um he lived alone in the middle of the

1124
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:37,859
desert for a reason you know

1125
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:39,060
um

1126
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,599
fantastic yeah there's an extra to this

1127
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:44,520
guy pretending to be casting demons out

1128
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,740
who sells across in holy water for only

1129
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:48,960
300 bucks I don't think that's Malachi

1130
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:53,359
Martin though because cash grabs yeah

1131
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,099
yeah he wrote a book wrote a book that's

1132
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,079
a terrifying book too if you read that

1133
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,300
it really will convince you the devil is

1134
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:02,339
real and and on planet Earth sometimes

1135
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,329
yeah and uh dead Minds broadcasters Art

1136
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:10,380
Bell live broadcast oh yeah flights

1137
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:12,300
incident was awesome awesome the Phoenix

1138
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,819
Lights episode is a classic that one's

1139
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:16,859
amazing

1140
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,060
yeah I I I I just think every once in a

1141
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:24,960
while I selfishly you know I'm a selfish

1142
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,720
personally when somebody dies this is

1143
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,339
this is very selfish like when a

1144
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,400
songwriter dies I get selfishly upset

1145
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,920
not because they died well I'm a little

1146
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,420
upset because they died like when Tom

1147
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,640
Petty died I was upset but do you know

1148
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:40,920
what most of me was thinking no new

1149
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,579
content exactly was thinking I wish you

1150
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:46,740
would have taken better care of himself

1151
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,460
so that because Imagine The Genius song

1152
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:52,560
or The Genius songs that that guy wrote

1153
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,359
and all of them that he could have wrote

1154
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:57,300
If he had 10 more years you know and

1155
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,920
especially when somebody dies young all

1156
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,960
these all these grunge guys who kill

1157
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,240
themselves or ended up dying from heroin

1158
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,460
or whatever I think that's so stupid you

1159
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:07,680
could have written so many great songs

1160
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,440
if you would have lived you know and I

1161
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,540
feel the same way about Arbella like

1162
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,400
selfishly when I heard he died I went

1163
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:16,200
man he's not going to come back from

1164
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,060
retirement again because he did that

1165
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,940
like five times I'm tired I'm retired

1166
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000
I'm back 1998 to 2015. it was like six

1167
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,920
or eight times well and it kills me too

1168
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,200
because if there were ever a time when

1169
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,760
his voice was needed it would have been

1170
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:31,920
the last few years right between covid

1171
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,880
January 6th uh like everything going to

1172
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:36,960
hell

1173
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,060
um he would have been a very good voice

1174
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,339
in the night kind of I I would say sort

1175
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:42,960
of yeah and I would love to hear what he

1176
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,460
would have had to say about some of the

1177
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,380
current characters that were you know

1178
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,720
for sure popped up like Elizondo coming

1179
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:51,000
out of the CIA or whatever you know like

1180
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,380
what would he have thought about all

1181
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,180
that stuff yeah or would he have

1182
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:56,220
embraced them to get the views you know

1183
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,220
he yeah I mean he he was very much

1184
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:01,920
politically like classic libertarian

1185
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,560
through the 90s and early odds but the

1186
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,240
end of his life he was swinging pretty

1187
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,700
hard towards like I would say like a

1188
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:10,380
pretty hard right turn politically as

1189
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:11,700
well

1190
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,079
um

1191
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,760
but uh

1192
00:49:19,569 --> 00:49:16,619
you're right about him staying he

1193
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,579
largely did not discuss or yeah

1194
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:22,440
I took that from him I I always think

1195
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:25,619
Leah if I if I express my opinions on

1196
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,480
any subject I'm going to alienate half

1197
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:29,280
the audience so why would I do that yeah

1198
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:31,020
and my opponents are my own I don't

1199
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:32,579
think I should be pushing them on other

1200
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,400
people you know yeah I I look I anyone

1201
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,720
who knows me knows I have political

1202
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,540
ideas and opinions but um

1203
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:41,280
in these kinds of environments like I

1204
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:42,540
think it's just Salient to talk about

1205
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:44,099
them as like traits or characteristics

1206
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,900
that somebody possesses right is a

1207
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,000
descriptive terminology but he had like

1208
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,680
I mean he had a lot of shows he had

1209
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,359
pretty intense coverage of like Waco and

1210
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:53,940
Freeman on the land like Ruby Ridge

1211
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:55,980
um the Oklahoma City bombing like he was

1212
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:57,780
covering these things in the 90s

1213
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,680
um

1214
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,380
and was it and it's also important to

1215
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,880
keep in mind that at this point when we

1216
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,079
were thinking about kind of American

1217
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:05,760
conspiracy culture like this is before

1218
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,540
Alex Jones uh before uh you know uh uh

1219
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,880
even David Ike being very popular so

1220
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,319
most of the conspiracy culture was

1221
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:15,180
basically founded on being anti-federal

1222
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,300
government which yeah which I agree with

1223
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,119
largely right I was gonna say like I

1224
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:25,210
yeah

1225
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:31,380
and uh mystery Eon gets the the comment

1226
00:50:36,109 --> 00:50:33,240
of the night I hope you're not easily

1227
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,119
offended I'm not offended she talks like

1228
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,099
a hot NASA scientist I'd believe

1229
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,380
anything she told me I'm gonna put this

1230
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:42,780
on my Tinder profile yes Leah's working

1231
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:45,420
on her Tinder profile mystery Eon maybe

1232
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,730
yeah I I think that that staying out of

1233
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,720
politics for me at least is a generally

1234
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,359
good idea when people start and I

1235
00:51:03,549 --> 00:50:59,520
noticed I I won't name names but I've

1236
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:03,559
had a few guests on that started like

1237
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,800
telling you know they started going

1238
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,559
pushing their beliefs about different

1239
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,660
things and it turned the audience off

1240
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,040
instantly I could tell from the live

1241
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,599
chat people are like why is she talking

1242
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,700
about this she's you know this person's

1243
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,859
supposed to be talking about

1244
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,480
something else why are they talking

1245
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:24,059
about you know this or that it just

1246
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,859
people aren't tuning in for that now if

1247
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,420
I had a political show of course you'd

1248
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,160
probably be different right but I mean

1249
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,960
also think about how a few spaces exist

1250
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,880
in Modern Life now that aren't political

1251
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:34,740
right that's one of the things kind of

1252
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:36,359
the Safe Harbor if you follow Jay from

1253
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,520
me in a way or high strangeness

1254
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:40,260
um yeah he did in his early career he

1255
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,300
did Cover a lot of politics his uh area

1256
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,579
2000 and like CBC show which like

1257
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:46,500
predated coast to coast in the early 90s

1258
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:48,420
he did talk about politics and then

1259
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,460
explicitly moved away from it um because

1260
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,599
he thought it was basically an

1261
00:51:55,309 --> 00:51:53,819
exhausting topic got tired of our all

1262
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,319
the arguments yeah and there are some

1263
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:57,119
things too about his early life that

1264
00:52:03,950 --> 00:51:59,579
people weren't aware of like that he was

1265
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:03,960
a a DJ in Vietnam and he played all the

1266
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:07,920
anti-war songs oh yeah radio Fortunate

1267
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,040
Son and all this you know uh all those

1268
00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:13,680
anti-war songs imagine and everything he

1269
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,040
was playing all those songs in Vietnam

1270
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:18,780
the U.S station wouldn't play like the

1271
00:52:23,809 --> 00:52:21,420
the yeah official station wouldn't play

1272
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:23,819
any anti-war song she had a really

1273
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,000
impressive and resounding uh like

1274
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,400
subversive strike or contrarian strike I

1275
00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:31,020
think it was just anti-authoritarian in

1276
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,819
general

1277
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,980
um yeah yeah he's he's been he largely

1278
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:36,720
made his whole career on AM radio until

1279
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:38,099
the end which is when he was being

1280
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:40,440
streamed on Sirius and then uh Dark

1281
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,660
Matter digital Network when he was

1282
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,220
hosting I think they're still around

1283
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:46,800
dark matter yeah I think so it got it

1284
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,280
was taken over after he left uh in 2015

1285
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:53,339
his sort of acolyte Heather Wade took

1286
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:56,220
over and then left for a directly

1287
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,440
competitive time spot

1288
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,359
um but I I think I think the network

1289
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,940
Keith Rowland owned it after his

1290
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,280
retirement and then I think sold it I

1291
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,200
don't remember who it was sold to though

1292
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:09,359
yeah well it's a shadow of its former

1293
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,020
self without him so yeah exactly

1294
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:15,480
now uh last time that I had any

1295
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,859
interaction with them they were looking

1296
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:19,020
for everybody to be an art bell clone

1297
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,760
and to specifically

1298
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:22,740
clone their show to be just like our

1299
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:25,319
bells and I think that's a stupid way to

1300
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,020
try to do something you can't you can't

1301
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,300
you know you can't an imitation it's

1302
00:53:34,569 --> 00:53:32,640
like a copy of a copy you know a Xerox

1303
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:34,579
is Never As Good quality as the original

1304
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,619
and for them to say we want you to just

1305
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,079
copy Art Bell style his voice they

1306
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:41,520
wanted me to talk like I remember

1307
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,740
specifically do you think that you can

1308
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,260
talk more like Art Bell like it's my

1309
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,180
voice what do you want me to do you know

1310
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,859
like what do you want me to do steal

1311
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,319
quotes from him or you know I don't know

1312
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,680
it's just kind of Bizarro you know it's

1313
00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:57,119
um I think the other thing that's worth

1314
00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:00,059
noting too is this is going back to like

1315
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,859
algorithmically delivered content like

1316
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:03,720
this is before all of that so what he

1317
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:05,700
was talking about every night was that

1318
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,619
was your choice you got to listen to Art

1319
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,540
Bell and whoever the guest was was what

1320
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:11,220
you were going to listen to

1321
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:12,780
um I I just feel like that sort of

1322
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,540
really broad swath of audience creation

1323
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:17,579
just doesn't exist now because there are

1324
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,220
podcasts and live streams that basically

1325
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,680
are just hyper Niche so you don't get

1326
00:54:27,849 --> 00:54:24,900
the same kind of

1327
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:27,859
um like broad audience

1328
00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:30,839
you're right he had just such a such a

1329
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:33,059
range like one one show you would tune

1330
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:34,859
in and he was talking about werewolf

1331
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,900
sightings and the next show you would

1332
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,000
tune in and he was talking about

1333
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:40,619
interdimensional time traveler or

1334
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:43,140
interviewing a time traveler or

1335
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,740
something it was it was a lot less

1336
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:48,240
segmented segments that now it seems

1337
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:51,540
like yeah totally since such Niche

1338
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,800
content now

1339
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:55,260
um and so his time travel shows were

1340
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,579
some of those were the ones that I

1341
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,079
always found really captivating like

1342
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:00,960
madman Markham who showed up uh in the

1343
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,480
90s and then showed back up on uh dark

1344
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,420
matter in I think 2015.

1345
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:08,579
um yeah David Lewis Anderson and the

1346
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,619
time travel Institute and then

1347
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:12,180
um you know art was also at the center

1348
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:14,819
of the John Teeter stuff like John Cedar

1349
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,140
he was never on the show he never called

1350
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:18,240
in he wasn't a guest but he sent art a

1351
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,020
couple foxes about 2034 and about Y2K

1352
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:24,599
um and I was super fascinated by the

1353
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,980
John Teeter story I thought it was

1354
00:55:29,089 --> 00:55:27,420
really fascinating

1355
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,099
um to me it also felt like like in

1356
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:30,900
hindsight thinking back one of the first

1357
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:35,280
kind of ARG style media events

1358
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:38,099
um where I could see it would pretty

1359
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:40,260
successfully snowball into like broader

1360
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,780
like Media stuff like movie or a book or

1361
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:44,040
something like that because it was very

1362
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:45,720
captivating

1363
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:47,160
um called a lot of audience attention

1364
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:48,359
and then also caught a lot of attention

1365
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,420
on the um post to post forums which was

1366
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:53,280
the big Art Bell like internet Forum

1367
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,760
yeah and uh first Mysterion is still

1368
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,619
trying to hook up with you and I don't

1369
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,300
know why but all these guys come to my

1370
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,680
show and every time there's a female

1371
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:04,079
guest on they think this is Tinder this

1372
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,500
is not tinder.com we'll send you I'll

1373
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,440
send you her her YouTube one of the

1374
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:12,540
moderators can put it in the live chat

1375
00:56:19,809 --> 00:56:15,300
and then Benny asked about the area 51

1376
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:19,819
caller that was another big one yes

1377
00:56:27,290 --> 00:56:24,359
screaming and yeah 1997. yeah called in

1378
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:27,300
um shrieking about uh Area 51 that

1379
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:28,740
they're not extraterrestrial they're

1380
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:30,540
inter-dimensional beings

1381
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:32,220
um I think tool picked it up for a song

1382
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:34,260
I'm not a tool head but I know that

1383
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,700
that's how most people know that not

1384
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,140
know that call

1385
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,720
um and uh the the really kind of I can

1386
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:42,960
remember I heard that call live and what

1387
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:45,960
added uh extra spook to the factor was

1388
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,940
Arts transmitter went down immediately

1389
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:49,319
after the call was terminated and it

1390
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,940
went on for about 20 minutes and you

1391
00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:52,800
couldn't figure out why

1392
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,819
um

1393
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:55,380
and when he finally got back on the air

1394
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,940
you could tell he was pretty rattled by

1395
00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:58,260
the whole thing

1396
00:57:01,849 --> 00:57:00,059
um and it you know subsequently created

1397
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:01,859
like this whole mythology around that

1398
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,200
collar and around you know whether it

1399
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:07,140
was valid or not

1400
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,720
yeah and and one of the things I guess

1401
00:57:12,910 --> 00:57:11,339
do you remember the controversy with

1402
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:12,920
this Heather Wade

1403
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:16,200
sort of yeah there was a whole lot of uh

1404
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:19,319
controversy and then uh art Bell's Widow

1405
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:22,680
spoke out against this Heather Wade and

1406
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,540
Heather Wade was one of the people to

1407
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:26,280
try to sort of take over the show after

1408
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,359
after him yeah no she so when he retired

1409
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:32,760
for the final time in 2015 she took over

1410
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,140
as the guest

1411
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:35,520
um I'm not totally sure what the

1412
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,319
relationship was if she was basically

1413
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,420
just his Protege or what

1414
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,160
um I know that after his full retirement

1415
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,500
she was continuing to broadcast out of

1416
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,359
the Bell property in Pahrump and that

1417
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:47,760
created a lot of tension with Aaron

1418
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:49,319
um and yeah there's there's a pretty I

1419
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,000
mean candidly a pretty heartbreaking set

1420
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:53,760
of comments from Aaron Lewis Bell after

1421
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:57,059
Art's death basically asking her and the

1422
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:58,980
broader Art Bell community and fan club

1423
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,220
to like chill out and you know stop

1424
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:04,500
stirring up all the drama

1425
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,020
yeah I followed some of that and I

1426
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,300
remember I remember thinking that there

1427
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:11,099
was a bunch of people that wanted that

1428
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,319
Art Bell seat and to be honest to this

1429
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,960
day there's still a bunch of people I

1430
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:18,119
mean yeah you know George Snowy got it

1431
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:21,900
but there was also uh you know uh Jimmy

1432
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:24,119
Church you thought that he deserved that

1433
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:27,900
Jeff rents yeah France uh yep you know

1434
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,460
other people George Knapp uh I saw one

1435
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:33,599
of the comments in the chat here I have

1436
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:34,619
it open

1437
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:35,880
um that someone needs to do a

1438
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,559
documentary on Art Bell and that's like

1439
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:39,599
I'm gonna I'm gonna plug my thing for a

1440
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:41,339
second which is that uh so I'm out of

1441
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,780
work sabbatical right now took a bunch

1442
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:44,400
of time off work to pursue passion

1443
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,680
projects and how this all really started

1444
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:49,140
is I'm trying to interview and research

1445
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,059
and document Art Bell

1446
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,040
um both you know to create some kind of

1447
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:55,319
comprehensive research resource for

1448
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,200
people but also to talk to creators and

1449
00:59:02,329 --> 00:59:00,720
audience members about his legacy and I

1450
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:02,339
bring this up because I'm fully

1451
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,480
convinced that he had this like

1452
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,520
extraordinary impact on our current

1453
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,920
media and cultural landscape and there

1454
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,480
hasn't been like appropriate attention

1455
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:11,640
paid to it um and I also think that like

1456
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,660
dude like we're living in this like

1457
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,400
epistemological Crisis we're watching

1458
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,680
like the unwinding of consensus reality

1459
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:18,960
and in so many respects like he he

1460
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:21,240
kicked it off right like he was the one

1461
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,680
who was giving air time to all these

1462
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:24,240
people and I don't think he would have

1463
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,799
ever imagined it reaching the point that

1464
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,020
it has but in many respects like what

1465
00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:30,000
we're experiencing now was underpinned

1466
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:33,000
by all a lot of like his Showmanship and

1467
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:36,359
uh guests and proclivities in the 90s

1468
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:37,799
and odds

1469
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:40,440
yeah he definitely I think that his

1470
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:43,920
cultural impact is under appreciated or

1471
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,520
realized really I mean it just maybe I'm

1472
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,500
a little more tuned into some of this

1473
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:52,559
stuff lately Leah but just the sheer

1474
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,380
proliferation of [\h__\h] of shows about

1475
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:57,839
UFOs in the past two years

1476
01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:00,180
and and again you know I'm always

1477
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,220
somebody that respects the Trailblazers

1478
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,380
you know he was the first guy to do that

1479
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,960
and I'm sure that the first bunch of

1480
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:09,359
business guys that heard this pitch like

1481
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,680
well we're just going to talk about

1482
01:00:16,690 --> 01:00:13,680
paranormal and werewolves and UFOs and

1483
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:16,700
time travel and portals and you know

1484
01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:21,240
aliens they probably went no this is not

1485
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:22,500
going to work you'll have a bunch of

1486
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:24,299
tinfoil hat people and not a big

1487
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,780
audience and but he persisted and proved

1488
01:00:32,210 --> 01:00:29,760
that millions of people would tune in to

1489
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,220
hear this stuff every week you know yeah

1490
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,799
what I mean like one of the theories I

1491
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:36,480
shot out pretty frequently is that like

1492
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:38,339
we're living

1493
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:40,380
like contemporary Western culture

1494
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,299
doesn't have very good narratives to

1495
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,920
create meaning in our lives and it makes

1496
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,420
sense that the Paranormal and the

1497
01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:47,700
Mysterious and numinous and UFOs and

1498
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:50,099
experience or phenomenon kind of becomes

1499
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:51,960
this like stand-in for what historically

1500
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,500
we've had like mythology and it fills

1501
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,900
the voice yeah exactly

1502
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,280
um and like that was one of the big

1503
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:00,480
things that kind of brought me into

1504
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:07,609
spiritual emergence last year and like I

1505
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,240
understood it as framed through like a

1506
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,520
theological or historical framework

1507
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,440
right like my you know what I knew about

1508
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,079
like mysticism and Transcendence

1509
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:18,240
um but the more I heard like experiencer

1510
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:20,220
experiences and ufology I just remember

1511
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,359
thinking oh these are people that are

1512
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:23,040
having like mystical Awakenings but like

1513
01:01:26,329 --> 01:01:24,599
we don't have terminology for it in

1514
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,339
contemporary culture so people see it

1515
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:28,440
through the lens of like the X-Files I

1516
01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:29,700
was gonna say that see it through the

1517
01:01:34,849 --> 01:01:33,059
lens of modern of of you know all the

1518
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:34,859
news is about space and maybe there's

1519
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,280
life in space and Rockets exactly all

1520
01:01:42,049 --> 01:01:40,200
this exploration that they're up to and

1521
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:42,059
looking for exoplay in it so maybe

1522
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:43,500
people see it through that lens of

1523
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:46,020
aliens where before they would interpret

1524
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:48,180
the same thing as demons or aliens or

1525
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:51,180
fairies right yeah exactly like we you

1526
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,839
know

1527
01:01:55,789 --> 01:01:53,520
um like humans have had these

1528
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:55,799
experiences since time immemorial and

1529
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:57,240
you know in the Middle Ages it was

1530
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,819
Julian of Norwich uh talking about her

1531
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:01,380
visions of Christ when she was an

1532
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,760
anchorist in the basement of a church

1533
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:05,280
and in like the 1960s and 70s it was

1534
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,660
Philip K dick encountering the

1535
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:08,280
computational universe through phallus

1536
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,900
but like this is the same [\h__\h] happening

1537
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:11,640
in both these people's Brands it's just

1538
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:13,859
Grandeur interpreted like by their

1539
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,260
cultural context yeah some people aren't

1540
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,180
aware but Whitley strieber never even

1541
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:21,660
used the word alien in his role yeah he

1542
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,140
he interpreted it as what it was which

1543
01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:27,900
was a strange unexplainable experience

1544
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,839
with other worldly entities that's what

1545
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,000
he was saying he never said the word he

1546
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:34,799
never said they were aliens and to this

1547
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,599
day he'll tell you he doesn't know if

1548
01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:38,160
they were aliens or interdimensional

1549
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,619
beings or demons or Angels yeah I don't

1550
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:43,200
even think he even he made and like I to

1551
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,579
be clear like I I haven't read anything

1552
01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:46,260
beyond communion

1553
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:48,540
um but like I don't even think he makes

1554
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:50,700
claims about them being necessarily like

1555
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:52,020
other entities and not just

1556
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,940
manifestations of this mountain right

1557
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:55,200
like he doesn't seem to draw any

1558
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:56,579
meaningful conclusions about them other

1559
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,200
than recounting this like super weird

1560
01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:00,240
stuff that happened to

1561
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,760
yeah yeah I interviewed him once and

1562
01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:04,319
that was kind of surreal for me because

1563
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,299
I remembered reading his book growing up

1564
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:08,160
and being just totally engrossed in this

1565
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,780
like oh my God people are getting

1566
01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:12,660
contacted by aliens or whatever it was

1567
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,819
you know look like alien on the cover so

1568
01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:16,920
people just assumed that he meant alien

1569
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:19,799
but we can see other examples of similar

1570
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,260
looking entities like Aleister Crowley's

1571
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:25,920
uh Conjuring and and who knows what they

1572
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,299
are you know

1573
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,280
right yeah I mean when that book came

1574
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:31,440
out I think that cover was so distinct

1575
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:32,940
it tapped into something in the

1576
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:35,280
collective unconsciousness because uh

1577
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,839
people certainly bought up that book and

1578
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:38,520
that everybody knows the cover of that

1579
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:40,440
book even if you haven't read it like

1580
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,180
it's familiar to everyone yeah and it's

1581
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:45,119
interesting he's re he's there's a new

1582
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:47,579
ish a new version of it coming out and I

1583
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:49,980
think that he didn't put that iconic

1584
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,720
thing on the cover anymore yeah it looks

1585
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,280
like it could be a Jonathan Franzen

1586
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,720
novel now because all it says is like

1587
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,579
communion with like a blurry like

1588
01:04:02,329 --> 01:03:59,760
landscape oh yeah that's I think is a

1589
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:02,339
bad idea because that was so iconic and

1590
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:04,020
it may be responsible for all these

1591
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:06,299
people describing their alien encounters

1592
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:09,480
exactly like that you know somebody

1593
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:11,579
mentioned JC yeah Jonathan Christian

1594
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,220
Webster III God's 10 star general in the

1595
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:16,079
war in media pornography one of my

1596
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:18,359
favorite repeat callers

1597
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:19,980
um he used to call Art Bell the devil's

1598
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,500
mouthpiece and would tell art that cats

1599
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,839
were Satan's familiars he was this crazy

1600
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:26,579
fundamentalist Christian who would call

1601
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:29,880
in screeching up and down the call line

1602
01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:32,640
um about art and he I don't think yeah

1603
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,680
so someone in the chat's uh postulating

1604
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,240
it may have been Ramona I don't think it

1605
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:38,460
was Ramona uh just because these calls

1606
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:42,240
continued after Ramona's death in 2006.

1607
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,740
um yeah look at all these that's right I

1608
01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:45,299
forget that streamer is written like

1609
01:04:50,809 --> 01:04:48,180
basically a library of uh additional

1610
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,819
stuff he is very prolific in his writing

1611
01:04:54,410 --> 01:04:52,079
and always writing another book

1612
01:04:56,329 --> 01:04:54,420
according to him himself you know I did

1613
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,339
read his book with Jeffrey [\h__\h]

1614
01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:58,079
Supernatural but that's just because I

1615
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:59,400
like Jeff [\h__\h] not because I like

1616
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:01,260
Whitley strieber

1617
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:03,059
um but yeah that's the version of

1618
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,579
communion I have kicking around yes I'm

1619
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,319
sure I have it on my bookshelf somewhere

1620
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:09,359
as well as a couple of these other book

1621
01:05:15,170 --> 01:05:11,940
there was I think I think I have this

1622
01:05:17,329 --> 01:05:15,180
Unholy fire and a few others uh

1623
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,339
the interesting stories but I always

1624
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,680
want more evidence and so that's I guess

1625
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,599
the problem that I have with him that I

1626
01:05:25,309 --> 01:05:23,819
have with a lot of people just like okay

1627
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,319
you're selling a book about this but

1628
01:05:30,049 --> 01:05:27,599
where's the you know I always have a

1629
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:30,059
problem with this uh alien abductions or

1630
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,520
experiences like I'd set up a camcorder

1631
01:05:36,049 --> 01:05:34,319
but then they always say something like

1632
01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:36,059
the camcorders won't work they know

1633
01:05:41,089 --> 01:05:38,579
about them or you know some excuse for

1634
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,099
why we can't get film of this stuff you

1635
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:44,040
know and it was also interesting that

1636
01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:46,980
um you know the communion movie like

1637
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:49,500
Christopher Walken was playing him

1638
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:51,960
tonight Chris Walken was in that he was

1639
01:05:56,349 --> 01:05:53,579
playing him too nutty and he just said

1640
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:56,359
if the shoe fits wear it buddy like

1641
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:58,980
Whitley strieber told him you're going a

1642
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:00,780
little too far to the Nutty side and

1643
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:02,220
he's like if the shoe fits where is

1644
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:04,200
Buddy if if really stripper is saying

1645
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:05,940
that then you probably are going a

1646
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,280
little too deep into the crazy side yeah

1647
01:06:12,829 --> 01:06:10,559
I had a very I had a very

1648
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:12,839
um that interview with him was largely

1649
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:14,280
great but then he started talking about

1650
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:16,500
being butt probed and like why would he

1651
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:18,119
make up a story about being but it's

1652
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:20,520
like patreon content and that wasn't fun

1653
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:22,619
getting butt probed wasn't fun this is

1654
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:25,680
not fun Steven getting anally probed and

1655
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,500
I was like I was so uncomfortable I

1656
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:30,119
didn't know what to say about that you

1657
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:32,039
know like what do you where do we go

1658
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:34,440
from here he he falls squarely too in

1659
01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:36,660
that space like he seems like a nice guy

1660
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:38,819
like he seems like a pleasant guy to

1661
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:49,789
you should have really pushed him more

1662
01:06:54,250 --> 01:06:52,200
and I go I I tried but he's such a nice

1663
01:06:57,529 --> 01:06:54,260
person right yeah

1664
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:57,539
he disarmed me he made me like a little

1665
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,980
more timid than I might have been

1666
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,740
otherwise you know and I'm sure it was a

1667
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,599
little bit Star Struck having grown up

1668
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:06,240
with some of his books and you know and

1669
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,039
and it was so weird because I had just

1670
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,960
read the uh or just watched the

1671
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,640
Christopher Walken movie like a few

1672
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,920
weeks before the power went out at my

1673
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:15,839
cabin but I have solar backup but then

1674
01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:19,079
no internet too so uh I went through old

1675
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:21,299
DVDs and I found a communion DVD with

1676
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,339
Christopher Walken and I watched it and

1677
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:25,859
a few weeks later for some weird reason

1678
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,680
I got an email from Whitley Schreiber it

1679
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:30,480
was related to the Anjali case because

1680
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,680
he had just interviewed you know what

1681
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,119
they say about synchronicities yeah and

1682
01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:35,940
I go this is so weird but so of course I

1683
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,559
said I just watched that Christopher

1684
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,119
Walker movie that was great can I get an

1685
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:41,039
interview and he said yes so there we go

1686
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:44,220
you know what dude yeah yeah I mean art

1687
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,480
like that's the other thing too it's

1688
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:47,520
like art art was on running his radio

1689
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:50,460
show obviously but he wrote too like he

1690
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,020
wrote the quickening which is basically

1691
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,420
kind of an accelerationist take on

1692
01:07:59,089 --> 01:07:57,119
Modern culture and Society he wrote

1693
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:59,099
um God I have a signed copy of his book

1694
01:08:02,029 --> 01:08:00,599
with Brad Steiger I can't remember what

1695
01:08:02,809 --> 01:08:02,039
it's called

1696
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,819
um

1697
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:04,859
he wrote The Coming Global superstorm

1698
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,180
that was the one he co-authored with

1699
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,099
strieber that got made into the day

1700
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:10,319
after tomorrow then he had his

1701
01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:12,839
autobiography The Art of Talk

1702
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:14,700
I've got to read that I've never have

1703
01:08:17,950 --> 01:08:16,380
and I'm surprised that I never have I

1704
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:17,960
hear you mentioned

1705
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,440
you've read and I'm jealous because you

1706
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:23,759
know what I'm one of those people that

1707
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,799
buys a lot of books and I heard a friend

1708
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,020
describe it this way when you buy a book

1709
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:30,060
you're not really buying the book you

1710
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:32,339
think you're buying yourself the time to

1711
01:08:38,749 --> 01:08:34,920
read the book and that relaxation time

1712
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:38,759
you know and also I I'm very cheap with

1713
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,440
books I always Justified to myself

1714
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:42,000
because you're feeding your brain and

1715
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,799
you have to you have to feed your brain

1716
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:46,080
good stuff so yeah what are you gonna

1717
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:47,400
what else are you gonna spend money on

1718
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:49,980
feed your feed your mind good you know

1719
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:52,440
good information and and try to expand

1720
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,779
your mind so I buy a lot of books and

1721
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,400
then they go in a bookshelf and then I

1722
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,440
remember them three months usually I get

1723
01:09:02,209 --> 01:09:00,239
back to them though but I have a lot I

1724
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:02,219
have a big pile now I've been taking

1725
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,819
them I have like shelves so many books

1726
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,580
on my uh on my two read list and like

1727
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:10,799
surrounded by them right now

1728
01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:11,880
um

1729
01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:14,819
oh yes and somebody's mentioning that

1730
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,239
that's another one of those famous ones

1731
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:19,920
David Wilcox Before He was largely

1732
01:09:25,329 --> 01:09:22,980
Famous Dave Wilcox I'm convinced it's

1733
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:25,339
him I've compared the voices the diction

1734
01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:29,940
uh the phrasing it was I'm convinced it

1735
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:31,799
was David Wilcock David Wilcock for

1736
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:34,020
those unaware many people claim this I

1737
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:37,380
can't prove it but it is widely talked

1738
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,299
about that David Wilcox called into the

1739
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:41,040
Art Bell show there's a recording online

1740
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:44,400
you can listen to it where uh David

1741
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:45,719
Wilcox

1742
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:48,500
not as David Wilcock as as somebody else

1743
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:51,060
claimed to be a time traveler and called

1744
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,739
into the Art Bell show and talked to Art

1745
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,199
Bell for a while about that

1746
01:10:01,130 --> 01:09:58,320
sounded like him to me

1747
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,140
yeah so there's all those connections

1748
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,120
right

1749
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:05,040
and of course David Wilcock would have

1750
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:06,900
been connected to Art Bell at the time

1751
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,900
you know and listening so I don't doubt

1752
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:11,280
that he would have all been pretending

1753
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:13,620
to be a time traveler yeah I've gotten

1754
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,440
such a kick out of seeing your Wilcox

1755
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,000
your Wacky World of Wilcock videos

1756
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,340
because that's how I know who he is is

1757
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,040
from coast to coast and maybe Ancient

1758
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:24,960
Aliens other people know him

1759
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,020
oh yeah dude I I don't watch TV I have

1760
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,000
no idea the only the only Ancient Aliens

1761
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:32,159
guy I know is that uh it's sucralose

1762
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,540
aliens dude that's it oh yeah it's sadly

1763
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:39,060
uh used to be able to find that pretty

1764
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,739
quickly I was seeing if I could find the

1765
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:42,840
clip of uh and I can't right now so if

1766
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:44,760
anybody in the live chat finds the clip

1767
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,020
of David Wilcox calling into Art Bell uh

1768
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,080
time traveler as the time traveler and

1769
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,080
of course he denied that and uh I don't

1770
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,360
know that somebody voiced print id'd it

1771
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:00,239
but it's pretty close it's pretty pretty

1772
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:03,300
close to his voice it sounds just like

1773
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:04,320
him

1774
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:05,760
and that just sounds like something

1775
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,040
stupid he would do you know I mean after

1776
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:11,280
all he channels Jesus and the Egyptian

1777
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:14,219
god Ra he's Edgar Casey reincarnated so

1778
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:15,900
why not pretend to be a time traveler

1779
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:21,950
so do you want to tell us a little bit

1780
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,880
about the project you started the the

1781
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:25,679
show that you're doing

1782
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:27,300
because I think oh yes people need to

1783
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:29,940
hear about that sure so um I've been

1784
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:32,280
doing uh a project called The Invisible

1785
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,679
night school with another of a handful

1786
01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:36,780
of people in the ufology community so

1787
01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:40,020
it's me it's a UAP study this guy

1788
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:42,120
Campbell Moreira the UAP study on

1789
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:45,060
Twitter Nick coffin kalas who's uh

1790
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:47,219
invisible night school on Twitter and we

1791
01:11:50,209 --> 01:11:48,840
have kind of like some rotating we've

1792
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:50,219
been just call them like faculty like

1793
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:52,440
people to join the conversation and

1794
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:55,380
we're hosting live streams and then also

1795
01:11:57,649 --> 01:11:57,060
Twitter spaces

1796
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:57,659
um

1797
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:59,460
and the real objective when we're

1798
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,600
talking about ufology and high

1799
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:01,860
strangeness and stuff but the real

1800
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:04,380
objective uh candidly is to try to

1801
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:05,820
elevate the conversations that are

1802
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:07,860
happening around this subject and to do

1803
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:10,380
it in a way that

1804
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:13,860
um by example shows audience members or

1805
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:16,140
listeners sort of how to research and

1806
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:18,179
critically dissect and talk about a lot

1807
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:20,580
of these ideas and I say that because

1808
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,480
you know so my exposure to ufology has

1809
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,219
been very brief

1810
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:28,320
um perhaps mercifully brief

1811
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:30,600
um one of the things that I've been kind

1812
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:33,199
of astounded by is just like the abysmal

1813
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:35,820
scientific and information literacy I've

1814
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,620
seen in the community like people who

1815
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:39,600
just seem to have no sort of meaningful

1816
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:41,580
heuristic for evaluating information or

1817
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,900
conducting research or thinking

1818
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:45,420
critically about it and

1819
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,580
um I don't think this is the fault of

1820
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:49,199
people in many respects because I don't

1821
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:51,300
think we live in like a culture with an

1822
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:52,620
education system that helps people

1823
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:54,600
develop critical thought

1824
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:55,380
um

1825
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,560
but uh we've been trying to have I would

1826
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,239
say these like upscaled or elevated

1827
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,920
conversations

1828
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:03,960
um yeah I tuned in and I was surprised

1829
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:05,640
at like how

1830
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,719
um sort of you guys take a much a very

1831
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,940
serious and scientific approach to it

1832
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:13,800
and I think that's one of the things

1833
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,260
that's lacking here you know you think

1834
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,840
people tune in to to hear a show about

1835
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:21,000
UFOs and they get to hear about like the

1836
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:24,540
galactic Council and reptilian aliens is

1837
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:28,560
on Mars and the Mars the Mars secret

1838
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,040
missions to kill the insectoid aliens

1839
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:34,020
and it's so that's why people make fun

1840
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,120
of this but you guys are attacking it

1841
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:38,280
from much more scientific and you guys

1842
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:41,840
have a big you know people

1843
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:44,699
know their history on your show they

1844
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,100
know like you know the general history

1845
01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:49,800
of the mythology and UFOs and where that

1846
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:51,960
some of that mythology came from I was

1847
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,300
really surprised at how don't take it

1848
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:55,920
the wrong way but I wasn't expecting

1849
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,380
what I got I was expecting much because

1850
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:00,300
there's no offense but the bar is pretty

1851
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,480
low yeah right dude there's so I tuned

1852
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:05,699
in and I went God damn this is good I

1853
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:07,860
even posted it in in the Discord here

1854
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,620
and I generally Leah I don't like the

1855
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:12,420
competition I'm not posting a bunch of

1856
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:14,280
other people's shows in my Discord I did

1857
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:16,140
for you though because I think it thank

1858
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:19,380
you sir tune in well yeah and I mean I

1859
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,820
just think there's like like the

1860
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:22,800
community needs better role models right

1861
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:24,840
like it needs better people talking

1862
01:14:28,729 --> 01:14:26,760
about these things and I'm not exactly

1863
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,739
the Arbiter of what constitutes better

1864
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,540
but I think I can do better than a lot

1865
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:32,880
of the [\h__\h] that I see quite frankly

1866
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,860
um and like I also understand too in the

1867
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:35,760
community like there are a lot of people

1868
01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:37,260
here that do not want their ideas

1869
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:40,820
confronted they don't want them analyzed

1870
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:43,500
it was shocking right it's crazy no

1871
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,980
anything about that yeah yeah and like

1872
01:14:49,790 --> 01:14:48,360
and you brought something up I don't

1873
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:49,800
remember if it was backstage before the

1874
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:51,060
show or when we just started talking

1875
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:52,920
here but basically about like bringing

1876
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,600
in expert and I think one of the things

1877
01:15:00,250 --> 01:14:56,820
too is like

1878
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,260
there's this like weird strain of like

1879
01:15:04,729 --> 01:15:02,820
anti-intellectualism or anti-expertise

1880
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:04,739
that exists in this community that sort

1881
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,260
of sees people not having credentials as

1882
01:15:12,169 --> 01:15:10,560
being an asset rather than a liability

1883
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,179
um and I'm of the opposite camp or like

1884
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:13,920
if I don't know something I want to

1885
01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:16,020
defer to an expert like I want to bring

1886
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,699
in someone who knows their [\h__\h] and who

1887
01:15:21,709 --> 01:15:19,800
can talk confidently about complex or

1888
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:21,719
sophisticated subjects and help us sort

1889
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:24,120
of integrate it into this subject

1890
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,780
um

1891
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,460
and like that's one of the things I've

1892
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:27,840
liked about your show is like bringing

1893
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:30,120
on Experts to talk about things and

1894
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:31,260
areas that maybe you don't have

1895
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,820
expertise but understanding the

1896
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,560
importance of having a space for

1897
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:36,960
expertise to be present

1898
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:37,860
um

1899
01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:41,159
you know it's uh it's it's interesting I

1900
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,540
feel like youthology in many ways is

1901
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:44,159
just kind of this like crazy microcosm

1902
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,960
of the World At Large right like I've

1903
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,520
tried to tell people like being in the

1904
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,440
UFOs isn't really about flying saucers

1905
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,120
it's about being into all sorts of stuff

1906
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,760
like Consciousness and metaphysics and

1907
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:56,159
reality and belief systems and occultism

1908
01:16:01,550 --> 01:16:00,540
too and occultism oh yeah yeah for sure

1909
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,560
um

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01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:03,600
UFOs just becomes like a really

1911
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:06,060
convenient shorthand to talk about those

1912
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:07,620
subjects for sort of the communal in

1913
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,060
groups

1914
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:11,040
um and also just do the grift in this

1915
01:16:15,770 --> 01:16:13,860
space is unbelievable like not just the

1916
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,780
money grift but like the intellectual

1917
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:16,800
grift

1918
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:23,630
yeah the grip thing is is the problem

1919
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,340
that I have and lately a lot of people

1920
01:16:31,610 --> 01:16:29,520
are saying things to me like Stephen we

1921
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:31,620
get it you bust all these frauds but

1922
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:33,960
like where's the good people and I'm

1923
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:37,199
trying like it's not my fault I just you

1924
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:39,540
know I investigate people's people and

1925
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:41,219
their stories it's not my fault if

1926
01:16:45,649 --> 01:16:42,900
Hanford would turn out to be full of it

1927
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:45,659
and I'd report that you know but

1928
01:16:50,030 --> 01:16:46,980
tomorrow we're having a very credible

1929
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:50,040
researcher on UFO crashes you know so

1930
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,719
there are there are incredible people

1931
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:53,520
out there you just gotta really dig for

1932
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,260
them they're not they're not the famous

1933
01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:57,120
ones you know yeah the guy who talks

1934
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,699
about Ely Nevada he was on

1935
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:02,159
um art Bell's dark matter when it first

1936
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:04,620
was starting on yeah my very distinctly

1937
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:05,640
remember it because I'd never heard

1938
01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:07,260
anything about Ely Nevada so I'll

1939
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:09,719
definitely be tuning into that

1940
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,940
um yeah oh yeah Dean Raiden yeah he was

1941
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:13,679
he's been great on Coast to Coast to

1942
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:16,760
Philadelphia Experiment yeah that's like

1943
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:20,520
albiolic and Preston Nichols those guys

1944
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:24,780
yeah not a fan of that but uh spooky was

1945
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:28,860
able to find uh one second I thought I

1946
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:31,380
had it I did have it oh yeah spooky was

1947
01:17:36,050 --> 01:17:33,960
able to find that art bell clip with

1948
01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:36,060
David Wilcox calling in so we're gonna

1949
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:38,580
say oh my gosh we're gonna cite fair use

1950
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:41,580
and uh oh let me do that I feel like I

1951
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:42,840
should be taking a bong rip before

1952
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:45,840
watching this it's kind of a requirement

1953
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,900
I can time travel too yeah it's kind of

1954
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,000
a requirement right but this is funny

1955
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,040
this is really funny

1956
01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:55,860
Coast to Coast AM continues well let me

1957
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,679
marry a 51 but this guy tripped me up uh

1958
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:00,480
he's on a line now and I can sell your

1959
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:04,320
uh like in a vehicle of some kind uh yes

1960
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:06,420
I'm uh currently I'm driving a truck

1961
01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:07,800
right now because I'm making a

1962
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:10,500
historical study of life in the 20th

1963
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,900
century and uh there's really no better

1964
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:14,640
way to study it than getting out there

1965
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,460
and uh seeing it and experiencing it so

1966
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:19,620
you're sort of swimming in the 20th huh

1967
01:18:23,810 --> 01:18:21,300
there you go

1968
01:18:28,750 --> 01:18:23,820
um actually uh I'm from the 21st century

1969
01:18:32,890 --> 01:18:28,760
the uh 21st century uh the year 2072

1970
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:32,900
[Music]

1971
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,300
yeah real credible people

1972
01:18:41,290 --> 01:18:38,159
you try to make it out like I'm farting

1973
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:41,300
when it's not even real and you don't

1974
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:44,580
yeah I was very loving of you it was you

1975
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:45,960
probably authorized all kinds of good

1976
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,179
things on this channel

1977
01:18:56,830 --> 01:18:51,840
actually uh it came to me that way and I

1978
01:19:02,689 --> 01:19:00,290
and I worked at Area 51 or I guess you

1979
01:19:07,209 --> 01:19:02,699
would say I will work at Area 51 which

1980
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:07,219
at that time is the the nation's capital

1981
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:10,380
there's a series of catastrophes that

1982
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:12,780
will occur and I I don't want to create

1983
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:15,719
a paradox by saying too much I was

1984
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:18,300
really surprised because I certainly do

1985
01:19:41,210 --> 01:19:37,550
oh three sounds on the internet

1986
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:43,270
[Music]

1987
01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:46,800
uh things happen where the government of

1988
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:49,860
the United States has to relocate now

1989
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:51,480
now bear in mind that you're on the air

1990
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,880
right now in Washington DC on wwrc I

1991
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,960
mean they're all listening to you so

1992
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:56,640
yeah that's why I have to be very

1993
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,940
careful yes so you're saying around the

1994
01:20:04,490 --> 01:20:01,620
turn of the century around 2000

1995
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:04,500
something is going to happen yeah I

1996
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,120
don't want to get into any more in that

1997
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:09,120
yeah that was wrong as an aide for the

1998
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:13,020
office of the president at area 51. and

1999
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:17,280
in that time in 2072 uh the reason Area

2000
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:21,840
51 was picked to be the capital uh of

2001
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,159
the United States and for that matter

2002
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:25,679
basically a one world government is set

2003
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:27,719
up with the United States leading that

2004
01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:29,640
effort oh good

2005
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:31,580
um

2006
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:35,280
no question of life throughout the

2007
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:38,100
Universe in fact there'll be several

2008
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:41,159
races of aliens living with us

2009
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:43,140
um I don't want I can't get into much

2010
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:46,620
more detail than that but let me ask you

2011
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,540
a question how far can you go we all

2012
01:20:52,430 --> 01:20:50,460
know what a paradox is you know going

2013
01:20:56,290 --> 01:20:52,440
back and killing your father if time

2014
01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,330
how far can you go in telling us things

2015
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:01,739
without creating a paradox something

2016
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,420
that will shift what otherwise would

2017
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:05,280
occur in the timeline well I can't I

2018
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:08,460
can't can't actually alter events for

2019
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:11,699
example if uh if I come back now and I

2020
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,040
know uh if I invest in a certain thing

2021
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:17,040
in the stock market become uh you know a

2022
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,040
huge multi-millionaire yes when I when

2023
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:22,440
that individual who I am now didn't

2024
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,840
according to my current history you

2025
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,219
would have changed things radically

2026
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,320
right and so I have to be very careful

2027
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:31,260
now speaking in general terms like I'm

2028
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:33,260
doing to you over the air

2029
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:35,940
uh so then we can we can safely assume

2030
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:38,219
Bill Gates is not a time traveler Bill

2031
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:41,460
Gates is not a time traveler okay Bill

2032
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:44,760
Gates is Bill Gates and uh got his money

2033
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,060
uh honestly in this timeline

2034
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,040
he honestly got it in this timeline

2035
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:51,600
though there's some interesting things

2036
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,179
about Bill Gates

2037
01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:57,120
um without going into detail expect Bill

2038
01:22:03,370 --> 01:21:59,340
Gates to enter politics before too long

2039
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,380
it wouldn't surprise me yeah

2040
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:05,820
is that something that could potentially

2041
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,860
I mean you must be on the Gray Line

2042
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:10,560
there regarding a paradox well I am but

2043
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:12,540
here's the here's the beauty of it when

2044
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,060
I'm on the phone with you talking

2045
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,000
it's subjective it's it's people's

2046
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:21,360
opinions so what I really say

2047
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:24,300
is real subjective uh some people might

2048
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,640
believe it some people won't so I'm

2049
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,800
fairly safe in making General statements

2050
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:30,900
like that because probably a lot of

2051
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,460
people aren't going to believe it that's

2052
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:34,560
right and so let me ask you this

2053
01:22:40,490 --> 01:22:39,120
is there something minor but very

2054
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:40,500
specific that you can give us that's

2055
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:42,060
going to happen in the near-term future

2056
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:52,030
yeah we're going to have uh probably

2057
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:56,040
about March of this coming winter yes

2058
01:23:03,050 --> 01:22:59,520
Southern California and Arizona are

2059
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,060
going to suffer severe flooding as a

2060
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:05,520
result of the El Nino this building

2061
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:10,440
and in 1999 the winner of 1999 there's

2062
01:23:15,610 --> 01:23:13,080
going to be a major uh devastating

2063
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:15,620
earthquake in Southern California

2064
01:23:20,689 --> 01:23:18,780
wait a minute that was the winner of 99.

2065
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,699
are you telling me his prediction 89.

2066
01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:22,920
how big will it be yes you know

2067
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,739
um and I guess that's enough of that uh

2068
01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:28,020
but that's one of the reasons why I

2069
01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:30,060
think it is David Wilcock is because he

2070
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:31,739
couldn't predict anything to save his

2071
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:33,960
life all of his prophetic predictions

2072
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:37,260
fail and uh you said you grew up Jewish

2073
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:38,699
like I grew up Catholic and there's

2074
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,380
something called the test of a prophet

2075
01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:42,960
to a Christian David woke up claims to

2076
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,640
be the world's greatest Prophet but all

2077
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:47,520
this prophetic predictions fail

2078
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:50,699
and in Christianity if one fails they're

2079
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:53,820
not a prophet so I always laugh I cackle

2080
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:56,040
when like out loud when he calls himself

2081
01:24:00,649 --> 01:23:59,100
the world's greatest Prophet but he

2082
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,659
still has and dude he still has those

2083
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,760
true believers who follow him and with

2084
01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:04,560
everyone he gets wrong their faith just

2085
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:05,640
increases

2086
01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:07,739
yeah it's funny to me that he never

2087
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,840
explains

2088
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,280
all the wrong predictions you know how

2089
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:13,739
he's he's been predicting Mass arrests

2090
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:15,780
for 22 years now

2091
01:24:23,810 --> 01:24:19,980
and uh nothing yeah the classic like

2092
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:23,820
apocalyptic tumor yeah like like the

2093
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,739
fodder that fed a million conspiracy

2094
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:27,840
theories over the last you know 20 years

2095
01:24:33,709 --> 01:24:30,060
collapse of the government on world

2096
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,719
government FEMA death camps whatever

2097
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:36,000
Patty says art was the master of the

2098
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:39,000
Paranormal interview yeah he was he he

2099
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:41,060
could walk that beautiful line between

2100
01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:44,580
showman and credulity without

2101
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:47,219
like buying into whatever the guest was

2102
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:48,840
saying like he was he was just this like

2103
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:50,520
Master Entertainer and I feel like you

2104
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,739
don't really see that very often now you

2105
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:54,900
generally will see get or excuse me

2106
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,780
hosts that are totally credulous to the

2107
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,239
claims of their guests

2108
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,060
yeah and I just want to uh bring back I

2109
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:05,280
heard somebody earlier asking about the

2110
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,560
uh the channel we mentioned that had

2111
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,800
their YouTube video taken down by Third

2112
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:13,679
phase of moon oh yeah video unavailable

2113
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:15,900
this video is no longer available due to

2114
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,659
a copyright Claim by Blake cousins and

2115
01:25:25,130 --> 01:25:20,280
it's very important that people realize

2116
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:25,140
that this video was a a ridiculous

2117
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,440
takedown of their tactics and and

2118
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,199
hoaxing techniques it perfectly

2119
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:34,080
illustrates and shows how they faked

2120
01:25:39,649 --> 01:25:36,300
over 30 of their videos

2121
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:39,659
and also calls uh sort of calls this

2122
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,699
Rich from goofan on the carpet for

2123
01:25:45,770 --> 01:25:43,199
saying they haven't faked anything for

2124
01:25:47,630 --> 01:25:45,780
five years then goes on to show a bunch

2125
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:47,640
of videos they faked in the past year or

2126
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,420
two

2127
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:50,880
so it pretty much proves that people are

2128
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:52,440
lying it's

2129
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:54,600
I didn't expect them to take it down

2130
01:25:58,729 --> 01:25:56,580
because they claim to be supporters of

2131
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,739
free speech and all this other stuff and

2132
01:26:04,010 --> 01:26:01,440
and supporters of fair use after all

2133
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:04,020
everything they do is fair use they're

2134
01:26:08,209 --> 01:26:05,880
taking videos from wherever they want

2135
01:26:10,729 --> 01:26:08,219
and putting it on their Channel I would

2136
01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:10,739
think that's fair use but apparently you

2137
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,639
can't

2138
01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:13,679
take a clip from their show or they

2139
01:26:17,629 --> 01:26:15,540
copyright claim you and have your video

2140
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:17,639
removed remember folks this is a hard

2141
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:19,860
strike against this person's YouTube

2142
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:22,380
channel get a few more of those and your

2143
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,840
YouTube channel gets nuked so that's

2144
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:26,159
unfortunate

2145
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:29,340
but it's not I guess I'm surprised but

2146
01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:32,100
I'm not surprised because I'm one of the

2147
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:33,179
few people that have seen that

2148
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:36,659
documentary Leah it is like there's no

2149
01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:39,480
arguing with this documentary once you

2150
01:26:44,450 --> 01:26:41,400
watch this two-hour documentary you just

2151
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:44,460
see 30 or 40 examples of things they

2152
01:26:50,990 --> 01:26:48,060
faked or manipulated or you know totally

2153
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,000
hoaxed it and they're claiming to be

2154
01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:53,040
credible researchers that really care

2155
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,500
about the truth it's it's pretty clear

2156
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:58,080
there about click bait and just getting

2157
01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:01,500
paid for fake UFO videos

2158
01:27:04,850 --> 01:27:03,480
yeah I mean it from what you've said

2159
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:04,860
about the documentary it sounds pretty

2160
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:07,980
damning right

2161
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:09,719
we're gonna see what we can do about

2162
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:12,420
getting that video seen by more people

2163
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:15,000
than it would have been otherwise done

2164
01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:17,820
you know I can try

2165
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,100
spooky says I will put it in a torrent

2166
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:23,520
and so will I fantastic yeah and there's

2167
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,040
the solution right there uh but I put it

2168
01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:29,520
on Napster and LimeWire Dropbox LimeWire

2169
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:32,360
Napster yes yes

2170
01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:35,040
I wonder if those things still exist no

2171
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:37,139
they don't well I'm sure that.com still

2172
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,719
exists for scammers that just have ads

2173
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:41,520
right I haven't looked at that in so

2174
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:42,900
long that's when you mention that

2175
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:46,080
everybody uses torrent now nobody nobody

2176
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:48,540
uses like P2P file sharing there's still

2177
01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:50,820
an appster.com music from incredible

2178
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,639
angle it's 9.99 a month and it is a

2179
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:55,920
streaming service now everything old is

2180
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:59,400
new again man yeah napster's back

2181
01:28:06,910 --> 01:28:01,739
and better than ever and of course my

2182
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,610
incredible my space is still there still

2183
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:12,960
holding on trying to come back right

2184
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:15,000
trying to get people off of uh Facebook

2185
01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:17,639
internet yeah internet 1.0 is coming

2186
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:21,540
back like Discord is just IRC

2187
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,400
um you're right about that yeah I enjoy

2188
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:25,199
I didn't I didn't want to go live

2189
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:27,480
streaming I'm glad that we did because I

2190
01:28:31,729 --> 01:28:29,400
enjoy the Discord yeah it gives the

2191
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:31,739
community a space to talk and also it

2192
01:28:35,570 --> 01:28:33,480
takes you out of the kind of wild garden

2193
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:35,580
that most of these platforms are like

2194
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:37,500
the Facebook platforms Twitter like

2195
01:28:40,669 --> 01:28:39,000
these are your beholding to whatever the

2196
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,679
rules and censorship policies are of

2197
01:28:47,050 --> 01:28:42,960
these these platforms so this being on

2198
01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:50,870
time is a flat circle yeah

2199
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:54,300
next next Escape Navigator will be back

2200
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,300
soon at icq IRC it'll be great bbs's

2201
01:29:04,729 --> 01:29:02,639
don't laugh but I know somebody that's

2202
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,739
still running one you can tell me into

2203
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,719
it there's many many people still

2204
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:08,760
playing trade Wars I'm not surprised

2205
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:10,080
yeah

2206
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:11,520
like surprise I have I have a couple of

2207
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,229
like we talked about like in notepad

2208
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,120
writing their own HTML like that's all

2209
01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:23,040
the disenfranchised nerds that went into

2210
01:29:26,450 --> 01:29:24,840
Tech are realizing that it's a huge scam

2211
01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:26,460
that ruins your life so they're just

2212
01:29:32,590 --> 01:29:28,620
going back hopefully that I'm one of

2213
01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:32,600
those products dude so am I like

2214
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,400
everyone else Leia when my when my

2215
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:37,199
father and mother were away for the

2216
01:29:41,689 --> 01:29:39,960
weekend I was 14 years old I called the

2217
01:29:44,270 --> 01:29:41,699
phone company and I got them to install

2218
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:44,280
eight phone lines and I had a eight line

2219
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,040
BBS uh Wares board incredible and uh one

2220
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:51,840
time I screwed up and you know how they

2221
01:29:56,930 --> 01:29:54,780
had those ATA commands I left the

2222
01:29:58,669 --> 01:29:56,940
speakers on or something and it was like

2223
01:30:00,970 --> 01:29:58,679
three o'clock in the morning and you

2224
01:30:03,709 --> 01:30:00,980
know this Screech from the yeah

2225
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:03,719
from eight modems and my dad gets up and

2226
01:30:07,689 --> 01:30:05,400
he's like what the hell is going on in

2227
01:30:10,450 --> 01:30:07,699
here why do you have all of these

2228
01:30:13,129 --> 01:30:10,460
surround sound uh

2229
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:13,139
and then I had to explain it to him and

2230
01:30:17,689 --> 01:30:15,900
then I did eventually uh I went the

2231
01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:17,699
straight and narrow and no more only

2232
01:30:22,729 --> 01:30:20,820
public domain software all legal and

2233
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:22,739
then I I had people would send me three

2234
01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:25,440
dollars a month to get you get an hour

2235
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:27,420
free or unlimited time with three

2236
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,540
dollars a month and uh and people would

2237
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:32,639
send me three dollars in the mail and I

2238
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,440
would just get all this cash and then my

2239
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:36,719
dad was like all right and then he's

2240
01:30:40,189 --> 01:30:38,280
like you sure this is legal I'm like

2241
01:30:43,729 --> 01:30:40,199
yeah I don't have any pirate software

2242
01:30:45,770 --> 01:30:43,739
anymore you know it's legal but I had to

2243
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:45,780
silence the modems you know and then

2244
01:30:51,770 --> 01:30:48,540
eventually we got up to 12 phone lines

2245
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,780
before bbs's the internet came killed

2246
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:54,000
killed my money Venture I was making

2247
01:30:58,129 --> 01:30:55,980
pretty good money doing that you were

2248
01:30:59,810 --> 01:30:58,139
one of the early.com bubbles I was going

2249
01:31:02,030 --> 01:30:59,820
to that mail every day going three

2250
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,040
dollars three dollars three dollars yes

2251
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:05,520
you know I um yeah I uh so I I won a

2252
01:31:09,229 --> 01:31:07,139
programming contest when I was like 13

2253
01:31:11,149 --> 01:31:09,239
and got flown out so I was living in New

2254
01:31:12,350 --> 01:31:11,159
York at the time and I got flown out to

2255
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:12,360
Seattle to go to the Microsoft

2256
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:14,760
headquarters and like super cool 13 year

2257
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:16,500
old Leo World Linux t-shirt to my

2258
01:31:20,050 --> 01:31:18,360
Microsoft headquarters in Redmond I

2259
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:20,060
thought that was just the coolest thing

2260
01:31:24,050 --> 01:31:22,440
and then that summer I went to the Hope

2261
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:24,060
conference in New York City which was

2262
01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:25,620
like a big deal

2263
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:27,239
um and got to meet like a bunch of the

2264
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:29,040
kind of OG groups like The Cult of the

2265
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:31,320
dead cow out of Lubbock and uh I think

2266
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,120
Texas Tech

2267
01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:36,000
um got to meet Angela Biafra was like

2268
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:37,500
the head speaker which is really funny

2269
01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:39,420
like the lead singer of the Dead Kennedy

2270
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:41,699
spoke got to meet Cheshire Cat who was

2271
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,920
like kind of an OG like phone freaking

2272
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:46,020
guy all right this is like the stuff in

2273
01:31:51,169 --> 01:31:48,179
my childhood yeah I used to get 2600

2274
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:51,179
magazine yeah dude I still get 2600

2275
01:31:54,410 --> 01:31:52,620
magazines I didn't know they're still

2276
01:31:57,169 --> 01:31:54,420
around too oh it's still around and it's

2277
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:57,179
like 25 bucks a year it is it is amazing

2278
01:32:02,689 --> 01:32:00,239
like it is just as like ramshackle and

2279
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:02,699
xenlike as it ever was like the guy who

2280
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:04,380
ran in Emmanuel Goldstein was supposedly

2281
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,139
like a huge creeper but I just love that

2282
01:32:12,530 --> 01:32:10,080
the spirit is like the internet 1.0 is

2283
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,540
like alive and starting to thrive again

2284
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:13,920
because to me that was like where the

2285
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,780
real promise of Technology was it wasn't

2286
01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:17,760
in these like aggregation platforms like

2287
01:32:21,709 --> 01:32:19,800
Facebook and Reddit it was in these like

2288
01:32:23,209 --> 01:32:21,719
little dark Forest communities that come

2289
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:23,219
out for people to connect about the

2290
01:32:27,649 --> 01:32:25,380
really weird and Arcane interests I

2291
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:27,659
honestly missed the BBS community and

2292
01:32:33,050 --> 01:32:31,440
here oh yeah you could go online but you

2293
01:32:36,410 --> 01:32:33,060
could meet these people in real lives

2294
01:32:39,770 --> 01:32:36,420
there was a IRC and and you could go to

2295
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:39,780
your city like Philly IRC and then there

2296
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,420
was these uh you know chat boards that

2297
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,400
you could go to in your city because you

2298
01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:46,560
didn't want to die a long distance and

2299
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,139
then my BBS other bbs's we would get

2300
01:32:53,209 --> 01:32:50,880
together and have get-togethers in these

2301
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:53,219
puppies yeah parties yeah we would have

2302
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,699
put we would have these big parties in a

2303
01:33:00,649 --> 01:32:59,040
park that will go on forever and you

2304
01:33:02,750 --> 01:33:00,659
know go there and drink and meet all the

2305
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:02,760
people and it was interesting after you

2306
01:33:07,310 --> 01:33:04,620
had chatted with somebody online for a

2307
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:07,320
year to put a name to their face and and

2308
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:08,880
you know meet them and see what they

2309
01:33:12,590 --> 01:33:10,920
were like in real life and then of

2310
01:33:15,310 --> 01:33:12,600
course there was the phenomenon of modem

2311
01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:15,320
heifers Leah we had that

2312
01:33:20,450 --> 01:33:17,940
you go meet the girls and be like damn

2313
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:20,460
she sounded so hot online you know oh

2314
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:22,860
that's what she was on her computer oh

2315
01:33:27,530 --> 01:33:25,860
yeah maybe yeah back then I don't know I

2316
01:33:29,870 --> 01:33:27,540
was living on my computer and whatever

2317
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:29,880
yeah back then it was so rare I kind of

2318
01:33:34,729 --> 01:33:32,340
liked being in that you felt like

2319
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,739
special because you were on online and

2320
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:36,800
nobody even knew about it you know

2321
01:33:42,649 --> 01:33:39,780
generally I mean before the internet and

2322
01:33:46,010 --> 01:33:42,659
like AOL and everybody having it it was

2323
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:46,020
the bbs's were more local and you got to

2324
01:33:50,330 --> 01:33:48,300
meet people and there was meetups for

2325
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:50,340
Hardware so you would go to these places

2326
01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:53,520
and like buy parts or buy computers and

2327
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,560
you know somebody'd be selling like 10

2328
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:57,920
Commodore 64s that didn't work for 25

2329
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:01,020
and he would buy them all yeah it's like

2330
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:02,940
going to like a ham radio swap meet now

2331
01:34:07,490 --> 01:34:05,520
like how many copies of the Anarchist

2332
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:07,500
Cookbook did I have on floppy disks

2333
01:34:14,689 --> 01:34:12,110
um it's the Glory Days of being on the

2334
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:14,699
internet you're changing grades and dial

2335
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,880
up yeah yeah and and you know what Art

2336
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,679
Bell was a part of all that because I

2337
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:22,320
used to listen to to that show while I

2338
01:34:27,530 --> 01:34:25,380
was on playing online games uh text

2339
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:27,540
based games or muds multi-user

2340
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,060
Dimensions or all of that stuff yeah yep

2341
01:34:34,970 --> 01:34:32,639
yeah and he also had a BBS so like there

2342
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:34,980
was that publication they ran dark

2343
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:37,620
um what was it called uh after dark but

2344
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:39,300
there was an art bell BBS and that was

2345
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:40,980
where a lot of these pictures and early

2346
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:44,000
like you would go yeah

2347
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,260
you would dial in and it would take you

2348
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:48,480
10 minutes to download one image and

2349
01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:50,460
then it would go across your screen real

2350
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:53,219
slow as it was downloading you know it

2351
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:54,780
looks like it's coming out of like a dot

2352
01:34:59,930 --> 01:34:58,260
matrix printer oh God in some ways I

2353
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,940
don't miss those times but in other ways

2354
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:01,920
I do because it was simpler and

2355
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:05,100
everything was like I like I said I feel

2356
01:35:09,709 --> 01:35:07,320
more special now that everybody's on the

2357
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:09,719
internet even even people that are like

2358
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:12,120
totally opposed or were totally opposed

2359
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:13,739
to even having a computer or all over

2360
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,840
the internet now because of phones you

2361
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:17,760
know so much of the internet now is just

2362
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,340
like extractive attention economy right

2363
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,840
like it's just about getting your

2364
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,280
attention and getting you to click on

2365
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,679
stuff it's not about like one-to-one

2366
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:28,080
Community Building or discussion right

2367
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:29,880
like how many spaces in our lives do we

2368
01:35:32,810 --> 01:35:31,380
get to connect with people in a purely

2369
01:35:34,270 --> 01:35:32,820
intellectual space like it doesn't

2370
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:34,280
happen

2371
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:36,540
Luke's is here welcome back hey Erica

2372
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,360
nice to see you yeah Erica loose and I

2373
01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:41,760
will have an announcement soon exciting

2374
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,040
stuff going on but I'm glad to see her

2375
01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:47,040
and and all of you people crazy people

2376
01:35:51,169 --> 01:35:49,500
but it's okay we're crazy too so

2377
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:51,179
yeah I don't know what else to say about

2378
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:52,800
Art Bell if you have anything else to

2379
01:35:58,729 --> 01:35:55,679
add I I would just say I wouldn't be

2380
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,739
here without him and I think fondly

2381
01:36:03,229 --> 01:36:00,960
about all those times of course a lot of

2382
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,239
that your memory becomes an amalgam you

2383
01:36:07,129 --> 01:36:05,280
know it all runs together but I think

2384
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:07,139
fondly about those times of sitting in

2385
01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:10,800
my room late at night and being excited

2386
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,840
for the guests that night and tuning in

2387
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:14,760
and can't wait to hear what Stanton

2388
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,000
Freeman or Bob Lazar or or even back

2389
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:19,920
then honestly I didn't know better Linda

2390
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,020
mon Howe or whoever that was going to

2391
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:24,239
tell me about the truth about aliens

2392
01:36:29,570 --> 01:36:27,900
tonight you know yeah yeah I mean the

2393
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,580
only thing I wanted to do was just like

2394
01:36:32,689 --> 01:36:30,960
plug real quick

2395
01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:32,699
um I have my Twitter handle here in my

2396
01:36:36,110 --> 01:36:34,199
in my name I'm private right now because

2397
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:36,120
I'm on the job market

2398
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,560
um I don't want prospective employers

2399
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:39,360
seeing that all I talk about is UFOs and

2400
01:36:47,930 --> 01:36:46,550
um but I have open DMS so like just like

2401
01:36:49,370 --> 01:36:47,940
if anyone wants to connect on this

2402
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:49,380
project talk about art talk about

2403
01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:50,760
anything we've talked about tonight like

2404
01:36:53,629 --> 01:36:51,900
I'd love to talk to you love to

2405
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:53,639
interview you and involve you in it even

2406
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:55,500
just to set up some time to uh hear

2407
01:36:59,450 --> 01:36:56,820
about like your favorite shows and

2408
01:37:01,370 --> 01:36:59,460
guests and stuff sure yeah um and then

2409
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:01,380
uh invisible night school you can check

2410
01:37:04,669 --> 01:37:03,060
us out on YouTube The Invisible night

2411
01:37:07,610 --> 01:37:04,679
school or the invisiblenightschool.com

2412
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:07,620
we run live streams and uh periodic

2413
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:08,940
Twitter space is basically trying to

2414
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:10,760
elevate the conversation around ufology

2415
01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:13,320
yeah they're trying to make it classy

2416
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,900
people help them support them and

2417
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:17,520
somebody asked did we talk about art

2418
01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:20,520
Bell's death near as I know Art Bell

2419
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:22,500
died from an accidental overdose of

2420
01:37:27,169 --> 01:37:24,120
several different drugs that were

2421
01:37:29,330 --> 01:37:27,179
prescription drugs which is sad but he

2422
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:29,340
was getting up there but it is sad that

2423
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:31,440
he died accidentally maybe he would have

2424
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,420
had a few more years in him if that not

2425
01:37:38,689 --> 01:37:35,760
happen I remember it being very sad and

2426
01:37:41,390 --> 01:37:38,699
of course lots of conspiracies popped up

2427
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:41,400
tons of conspiracies yeah his wasn't

2428
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,460
dead yet he was in hiding somewhere I

2429
01:37:47,870 --> 01:37:46,080
remember hearing and he was on the run

2430
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,880
from the Men in Black

2431
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:49,920
yeah I mean I Heard lots of suicide

2432
01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:52,620
rumors John Lear Came Out Swinging with

2433
01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:54,780
the suicide rumor like before Art's Body

2434
01:37:58,729 --> 01:37:56,340
was in the ground

2435
01:38:00,590 --> 01:37:58,739
yeah oh yeah syndication of course yeah

2436
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,600
distribution and also finding like a

2437
01:38:05,090 --> 01:38:02,400
subject and a time slot that both hadn't

2438
01:38:07,129 --> 01:38:05,100
been exploited at all no one other thing

2439
01:38:10,729 --> 01:38:07,139
that I would mention is that it seems

2440
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,739
that some uh person who I'm not a fan of

2441
01:38:15,470 --> 01:38:12,800
has sort of

2442
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:15,480
hoarded all of the Art Bell episodes and

2443
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:17,159
now you have to pay I guess it's Coast

2444
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,620
to Coast I don't know but I think they

2445
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:22,080
bought up all of the Art Bell episodes

2446
01:38:26,330 --> 01:38:24,060
and you have to pay to get a

2447
01:38:29,930 --> 01:38:26,340
subscription to

2448
01:38:32,209 --> 01:38:29,940
um to listen to his classic episodes and

2449
01:38:33,709 --> 01:38:32,219
I mean maybe that's a lesson for all of

2450
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:33,719
us that we should have something in our

2451
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:36,780
will if we like for me if I were to die

2452
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,120
tomorrow I would want all of my shows to

2453
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:41,040
be free always I would want somebody to

2454
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:42,719
go to my YouTube channel turn off all

2455
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:46,560
the ads and make a Google Drive and put

2456
01:38:51,530 --> 01:38:48,780
everything I've ever done for free to

2457
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:51,540
everybody to listen to and and archive

2458
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:54,060
forever but in our Bell's case it seems

2459
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:55,860
that there's a profit motive there and

2460
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:58,080
now yeah Premier broadcasting just

2461
01:39:01,370 --> 01:38:59,460
excuse me they probably brought it up

2462
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:01,380
scooped it up and now you gotta pay to

2463
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:03,120
listen to those classic episodes but of

2464
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:04,620
course there is alternatives to that

2465
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,840
that I'm not allowed to discuss but some

2466
01:39:11,689 --> 01:39:08,880
people know that there's ways to get

2467
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:11,699
anything that you want uh via certain

2468
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,460
internet does everything yes yes it does

2469
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:16,320
yes I just had a discussion with my wife

2470
01:39:21,110 --> 01:39:18,540
because she wants to see the new Game of

2471
01:39:23,570 --> 01:39:21,120
Thrones and she's gonna pay for HBO and

2472
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:23,580
I'm like well if you want to I could get

2473
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,219
it you know your wife is a nice

2474
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:29,040
law-abiding citizen yes she was too she

2475
01:39:33,229 --> 01:39:30,600
wants to do it the right way so we're

2476
01:39:35,689 --> 01:39:33,239
gonna do that but I'm a little sad

2477
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,699
though because I think if there was like

2478
01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:37,440
a YouTube channel with all the episodes

2479
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,020
on it for free or giving the money to

2480
01:39:43,610 --> 01:39:42,000
charity maybe that I would be acceptable

2481
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:43,620
with if I croak tomorrow and somebody

2482
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,320
wanted to take all of my stuff and just

2483
01:39:49,970 --> 01:39:48,239
leave it monetized but give all the

2484
01:39:51,470 --> 01:39:49,980
money to a charity of my choice or

2485
01:39:54,110 --> 01:39:51,480
whatever you know I don't know I'm just

2486
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:54,120
sad that they're not available

2487
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:56,760
so easily because there can't be a whole

2488
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,500
generation that missed all that that

2489
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:00,960
could enjoy it again you know the ethnic

2490
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,159
art would want that don't you think he

2491
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:04,080
would want that oh yeah I mean we're

2492
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:05,520
trying enough and enough inversive

2493
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,600
enough you know if you're totally want

2494
01:40:09,530 --> 01:40:08,159
his material shared I mean that was a

2495
01:40:11,209 --> 01:40:09,540
major reason you got pushed off Sirius

2496
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:11,219
XM is he wanted to be able to stream

2497
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:14,639
free for people to access the show

2498
01:40:18,050 --> 01:40:16,260
um and I've heard estimates like I've

2499
01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:18,060
actually talked and spoken with a couple

2500
01:40:22,129 --> 01:40:19,620
people that are archiving his shows and

2501
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:22,139
they estimate that basically

2502
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,800
about 30 about a third of his shows are

2503
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:27,840
captured and archived I'm sure in

2504
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:29,820
someone's random shoebox of cassette

2505
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,040
tapes from 1996 there are shows that

2506
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:34,080
aren't digitally archived but the

2507
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:35,699
estimate seems to be about a third of

2508
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:38,040
his shows are available online

2509
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,260
well that's oh yeah me too our Bell's

2510
01:40:44,330 --> 01:40:42,000
totally been like my therapy right like

2511
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:44,340
going through five times like I just

2512
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:46,080
threw it right up yeah

2513
01:40:52,129 --> 01:40:48,300
yeah and every once in a while I feel

2514
01:40:55,310 --> 01:40:52,139
nostalgic or like in the case of this uh

2515
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,320
Dr Jonathan Reed I got those episodes so

2516
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,600
that I could listen again and and boy

2517
01:41:02,209 --> 01:40:59,760
that was like a blast from the past like

2518
01:41:04,189 --> 01:41:02,219
I felt like I was like you know a time

2519
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,199
traveler yeah it felt like I was a

2520
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,420
teenager again in my in my little room

2521
01:41:10,729 --> 01:41:08,639
in my parents house you know keeping it

2522
01:41:12,649 --> 01:41:10,739
real low so I don't wake up my dad and

2523
01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:12,659
him start yelling at me for why am I

2524
01:41:17,530 --> 01:41:15,120
still awake or whatever it was it was

2525
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,540
but every once while I do feel nostalgic

2526
01:41:24,169 --> 01:41:20,880
and uh and go back to some old episode

2527
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,179
of Art Bell it's it's comforting to me

2528
01:41:28,970 --> 01:41:26,280
and it's a part of my

2529
01:41:33,110 --> 01:41:28,980
growing up you know and formative to me

2530
01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:33,120
for uh you know not so much my style or

2531
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:35,340
doing things but just the desire to want

2532
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,400
to do a radio show came from Art Bell

2533
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:40,860
for me you know right really the ability

2534
01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:42,600
to talk to really cool people about

2535
01:41:46,609 --> 01:41:44,760
Arcane subjects it's so appealing and

2536
01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:46,619
that's why like I've loved to stepping

2537
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,780
into podcasting and Twitter spaces as

2538
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:51,119
well uh

2539
01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:52,679
there are conversations I don't get to

2540
01:41:56,330 --> 01:41:55,020
have like in my daily life so it's

2541
01:41:58,669 --> 01:41:56,340
always exciting to be able to connect

2542
01:42:00,290 --> 01:41:58,679
and have a dialogue with people that are

2543
01:42:01,370 --> 01:42:00,300
interested in the same weird stuff that

2544
01:42:03,530 --> 01:42:01,380
I'm into

2545
01:42:05,149 --> 01:42:03,540
yeah and I guess that that's the benefit

2546
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:05,159
of the internet that it can gather

2547
01:42:12,530 --> 01:42:09,119
together people that have very you know

2548
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:12,540
certain interests were before you you

2549
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:14,340
might know one other person that was

2550
01:42:18,109 --> 01:42:16,380
into this weird stuff but now through

2551
01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:18,119
the internet you can connect with

2552
01:42:22,129 --> 01:42:19,739
thousands of people that are interested

2553
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,139
in any topic you're interested in and

2554
01:42:25,970 --> 01:42:24,480
you know this from technology like if

2555
01:42:28,609 --> 01:42:25,980
you're interested in like I don't know

2556
01:42:30,530 --> 01:42:28,619
Arduino microcontrollers there's these

2557
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,540
forums that you can go to with thousands

2558
01:42:35,090 --> 01:42:31,920
of people that can help you with

2559
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:35,100
problems and you know and talk about the

2560
01:42:39,169 --> 01:42:36,719
possibilities or what you can do

2561
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:39,179
programming them or what you can add to

2562
01:42:44,209 --> 01:42:41,760
them and it's amazing it's a great

2563
01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:44,219
resource if you avoid I think though for

2564
01:42:49,129 --> 01:42:46,020
the internet for me I try to avoid all

2565
01:42:51,229 --> 01:42:49,139
the mainstream media and and like the

2566
01:42:53,149 --> 01:42:51,239
aggregate corporate interest like I'm

2567
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:53,159
interested in the niche subculture

2568
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:56,880
weirdo stuff you know

2569
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:59,760
yeah yeah one of the Amy Collins here

2570
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,739
estimates about 2 000 shows yeah the

2571
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:03,360
most comprehensive archive I've seen is

2572
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:05,460
about 1340.

2573
01:43:12,890 --> 01:43:09,480
shows digitized so that's about like

2574
01:43:15,169 --> 01:43:12,900
what like 60 percent

2575
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:15,179
I got a long way to go myself then

2576
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:18,380
because I I have nowhere near that right

2577
01:43:23,629 --> 01:43:21,060
nowhere near that as far as number of

2578
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:23,639
shows that I have produced but you know

2579
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:25,760
he was

2580
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,460
yeah I mean he hosted six nights a week

2581
01:43:33,410 --> 01:43:31,679
for 20 odd years I mean that's an

2582
01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:33,420
incredibly rigorous schedule especially

2583
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:35,460
I can't imagine having the intensity of

2584
01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:37,440
conversation that many hours every night

2585
01:43:41,709 --> 01:43:39,060
day after day like no wonder he was such

2586
01:43:43,850 --> 01:43:41,719
a comrade and in daily life

2587
01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:43,860
for like hours

2588
01:43:48,590 --> 01:43:46,139
maybe that's what put him in such a bad

2589
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,600
mood right you never know smoking a

2590
01:43:51,649 --> 01:43:49,920
bunch of cigarettes and taking a bunch

2591
01:43:54,169 --> 01:43:51,659
of pain pills

2592
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:54,179
um yeah maybe that contributed to some

2593
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:55,739
of his health problems though we never

2594
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:58,020
know right yeah

2595
01:44:02,270 --> 01:44:00,600
well that's pretty sad it's sad that

2596
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,280
he's gone I would like to hear what he

2597
01:44:07,550 --> 01:44:04,560
would have to say about today's world of

2598
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:07,560
the Paranormal and and if he would be

2599
01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:10,380
surprised to see you know thousands and

2600
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:12,360
thousands and thousands of shows on

2601
01:44:16,189 --> 01:44:14,460
these topics now instead of the

2602
01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:16,199
proliferation he was a little bit

2603
01:44:20,570 --> 01:44:17,820
competitive though I remember he called

2604
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:20,580
Jeff rents a cheap ripoff of him and and

2605
01:44:25,490 --> 01:44:23,040
he didn't like other shows he did not

2606
01:44:28,129 --> 01:44:25,500
like other shows like his but I guess he

2607
01:44:30,109 --> 01:44:28,139
can't blame him if he thought this is my

2608
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,119
concept and my ID and these other people

2609
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:32,880
are stealing this concept or idea you

2610
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:33,840
know

2611
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,400
yeah I mean he felt like he had the

2612
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,960
market cornered and also that he built

2613
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:39,000
that market too so of course I would

2614
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,560
imagine he felt some degree of ownership

2615
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,440
over it yeah and I guess of course we

2616
01:44:48,530 --> 01:44:46,159
have these people that just go

2617
01:44:50,570 --> 01:44:48,540
opportunist to say well this guy's got

2618
01:44:52,129 --> 01:44:50,580
millions of listeners I could get a few

2619
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,139
hundred thousand and still make a decent

2620
01:44:56,030 --> 01:44:54,000
living maybe not as good as him but you

2621
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:56,040
know yeah

2622
01:44:59,149 --> 01:44:56,880
yeah

2623
01:45:01,070 --> 01:44:59,159
but I'm sad that he's gone I wish he

2624
01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:01,080
could come back I would I would love to

2625
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,420
have interviewed him right if he was

2626
01:45:07,250 --> 01:45:05,040
still around that would be interesting

2627
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:07,260
or see what he's what he would be doing

2628
01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:08,400
now

2629
01:45:12,649 --> 01:45:10,920
but you're right he was very introverted

2630
01:45:14,770 --> 01:45:12,659
like to live by himself well from the

2631
01:45:17,870 --> 01:45:14,780
desert kind of a crabby old guy

2632
01:45:19,609 --> 01:45:17,880
but I still love him yep yeah he was

2633
01:45:22,189 --> 01:45:19,619
incredible and he has and you know his

2634
01:45:23,629 --> 01:45:22,199
legacy lives on right like he lives on

2635
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:23,639
through people like me for sure and I

2636
01:45:28,129 --> 01:45:26,280
recognize that I definitely do

2637
01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:28,139
you know

2638
01:45:32,689 --> 01:45:30,540
so what is the projects that you're

2639
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:32,699
working on coming up on your invisible

2640
01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:35,820
College uh deal and and do you want to

2641
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,320
mention any of the stuff that you've got

2642
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:40,080
coming up before you go sure yeah so um

2643
01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:42,840
well so I'm actually going to be at the

2644
01:45:46,910 --> 01:45:45,060
UFO and anomalous phenomena event in New

2645
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:46,920
York City this weekend with Gary Nolan

2646
01:45:50,689 --> 01:45:48,719
so this is going to be uh

2647
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:50,699
anthropological so no no live stream

2648
01:45:55,790 --> 01:45:52,880
this weekend

2649
01:45:57,530 --> 01:45:55,800
you gotta go you gotta go ask him why he

2650
01:45:59,810 --> 01:45:57,540
blocked Stephen Camby and from truth

2651
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:59,820
Seekers I'll make sure that they all

2652
01:46:04,370 --> 01:46:01,080
look I'm straight in the eye and ask

2653
01:46:07,550 --> 01:46:04,380
them yes Steve Campion sent me why'd you

2654
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,560
block him for asking a question yeah

2655
01:46:12,649 --> 01:46:10,139
um but uh yeah so our next show is going

2656
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:12,659
to be the weekend I think of the 15th uh

2657
01:46:17,810 --> 01:46:15,900
we'll be diving into uapstudy.com run by

2658
01:46:20,510 --> 01:46:17,820
Campo Moreira talking about plasma

2659
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,520
plasma physics gas all these theories

2660
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:22,320
sort of around ufology that have been

2661
01:46:25,550 --> 01:46:24,119
promoted and documented uh through

2662
01:46:27,169 --> 01:46:25,560
different scientific research and

2663
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:27,179
government reports

2664
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,460
um I expect we're going to also continue

2665
01:46:32,510 --> 01:46:31,199
like Widing out like what we're talking

2666
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,520
about probably going to do another like

2667
01:46:37,250 --> 01:46:35,520
parapsychology show uh with Nick

2668
01:46:40,010 --> 01:46:37,260
um so yeah you can find that at the

2669
01:46:42,669 --> 01:46:40,020
invisible night school so folks she's

2670
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,679
got notes and everything right

2671
01:46:47,169 --> 01:46:45,179
right I'm not even reading it I'm not

2672
01:46:50,109 --> 01:46:47,179
this is like

2673
01:46:53,090 --> 01:46:50,119
autopilot right now

2674
01:46:54,649 --> 01:46:53,100
she's got lumps and everything but uh

2675
01:46:56,570 --> 01:46:54,659
I'm also working on starting like my own

2676
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:56,580
individual projects called version zero

2677
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,739
and this is just um conversations with

2678
01:47:01,850 --> 01:47:00,239
people who I think are sort of culture

2679
01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:01,860
carriers about like the role of

2680
01:47:06,290 --> 01:47:04,500
technology and uh like epistemology like

2681
01:47:07,550 --> 01:47:06,300
how people build their World Views so

2682
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,560
I'm gonna have some interviews coming

2683
01:47:11,209 --> 01:47:09,840
out uh with some people that I think

2684
01:47:13,250 --> 01:47:11,219
most of your audience will be familiar

2685
01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:13,260
with but um those are still in the works

2686
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,940
I expect to get those out probably like

2687
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,280
by end of month for the first round well

2688
01:47:23,330 --> 01:47:19,920
you're a busy girl and uh I don't I

2689
01:47:26,030 --> 01:47:23,340
don't have a job so I'm an unemployed

2690
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:26,040
degenerate so welcome to my world I I

2691
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:27,600
but I always have an excuse I go well

2692
01:47:32,209 --> 01:47:29,880
I'm got a business I'm building so it's

2693
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:32,219
okay you know like besides is this

2694
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:35,520
becoming a UFO person I guess

2695
01:47:39,950 --> 01:47:38,280
yeah oh I'm sorry to hear that but I

2696
01:47:41,870 --> 01:47:39,960
want to thank you for coming here and

2697
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:41,880
and make sure that you send me the link

2698
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,920
to your next show I will retweet it and

2699
01:47:47,629 --> 01:47:45,360
put it in our Discord you're always

2700
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,639
welcome to do that I think I saw you on

2701
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:49,199
our Discord you're welcome to post your

2702
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:50,880
shows or whatever it is that you have

2703
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,760
going on there to help you Stephen you

2704
01:47:57,410 --> 01:47:55,679
it would be my pleasure you're raising

2705
01:47:59,810 --> 01:47:57,420
the bar for a lot of this stuff which

2706
01:48:00,890 --> 01:47:59,820
I'm happy to see I'm trying and you know

2707
01:48:02,570 --> 01:48:00,900
I really appreciate your support

2708
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:02,580
especially since I'm so new to the

2709
01:48:06,290 --> 01:48:03,900
community it's been awesome to connect

2710
01:48:08,570 --> 01:48:06,300
with you and well you and I have such a

2711
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,580
similar like so many of the same things

2712
01:48:13,070 --> 01:48:09,920
or yeah

2713
01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:13,080
turbo nerds yeah

2714
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,420
right yeah yeah well thank you so much

2715
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:17,040
for having me tonight love talking about

2716
01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:18,840
everything and it was great to talk

2717
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,280
about this and I think it's about time

2718
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:22,080
that somebody did a show like this sort

2719
01:48:26,090 --> 01:48:23,760
of a tribute to Art Bell I haven't heard

2720
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,100
anybody really even mention him in in a

2721
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:32,090
okay well I'm gonna throw you out of

2722
01:48:35,810 --> 01:48:33,840
here and we're gonna bounce on out of

2723
01:48:38,090 --> 01:48:35,820
here so thanks for your participation

2724
01:48:40,129 --> 01:48:38,100
you're always welcome uh and the doors

2725
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,139
always open come back I would appreciate

2726
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:42,480
that I'd love to thank you Stephen have

2727
01:48:46,609 --> 01:48:44,580
a nice day thank you Leah all right

2728
01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:46,619
friends so what a fun conversation and

2729
01:48:51,169 --> 01:48:48,600
and a little lighter tonight we've been

2730
01:48:52,669 --> 01:48:51,179
delving into too many dark areas for too

2731
01:48:55,310 --> 01:48:52,679
long

2732
01:48:58,850 --> 01:48:55,320
um tomorrow night I have an excellent

2733
01:49:01,790 --> 01:48:58,860
researcher uh which we will be uh

2734
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:01,800
delving into crash retrievals or Not

2735
01:49:08,930 --> 01:49:06,420
Crash retrievals UFO crashes uh and that

2736
01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:08,940
is uh gonna be a great show especially

2737
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:11,100
for you people who have been asking me

2738
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:13,860
for quite some time why don't you have

2739
01:49:19,310 --> 01:49:17,100
you know more credible researchers well

2740
01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:19,320
I'm trying to get them and tomorrow we

2741
01:49:24,109 --> 01:49:21,060
will have one 9 p.m eastern time that

2742
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,119
would be Jeremy Mater who you may have

2743
01:49:29,689 --> 01:49:26,159
heard on the Art Bell show before he

2744
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:29,699
ended his uh his run right towards the

2745
01:49:33,229 --> 01:49:31,500
the end of his run I think he was the

2746
01:49:37,609 --> 01:49:33,239
third from the last guest that Art Bell

2747
01:49:41,689 --> 01:49:37,619
ever had and we will have

2748
01:49:45,950 --> 01:49:41,699
we will have more to share about this

2749
01:49:47,450 --> 01:49:45,960
recent attack on Free Speech uh from the

2750
01:49:50,270 --> 01:49:47,460
cousins Brothers

2751
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:50,280
again I mentioned that someone had come

2752
01:49:58,689 --> 01:49:54,540
out with a documentary with overwhelming

2753
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:58,699
proof and evidence and totally damaging

2754
01:50:04,729 --> 01:50:01,440
proof that they have faked many many

2755
01:50:07,310 --> 01:50:04,739
videos and what was Blake cousin's

2756
01:50:09,770 --> 01:50:07,320
response to that he filed what I believe

2757
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,780
to be a false copyright claim

2758
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:12,000
Blake cousins filed that to have the

2759
01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:14,280
video removed from the internet so you

2760
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,780
couldn't see it

2761
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,000
immediately after ending tonight's

2762
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:20,639
broadcast I will be developing a plan to

2763
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,480
make sure that you can see it

2764
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:27,360
um I believe that and I'm entitled to my

2765
01:50:32,030 --> 01:50:29,940
own beliefs I believe that Blake cousins

2766
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:32,040
did this because this is the most

2767
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:36,239
comprehensive most complete most uh

2768
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:40,159
damaging to their to them

2769
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:43,860
documentary or debunk of what it is they

2770
01:50:46,850 --> 01:50:44,880
do

2771
01:50:49,629 --> 01:50:46,860
I'm one of the few people who have seen

2772
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,639
it this video shows

2773
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:51,199
overwhelming

2774
01:50:59,930 --> 01:50:57,960
fakery fraudery and manipulation of the

2775
01:51:02,990 --> 01:50:59,940
public in order to make money

2776
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:03,000
it shows the videos that are fake why

2777
01:51:09,169 --> 01:51:05,340
they're fake how they fake them

2778
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:09,179
and it is very fact-based evidence-based

2779
01:51:16,189 --> 01:51:12,960
science-based and it is so well done

2780
01:51:18,430 --> 01:51:16,199
that they would have them and Rich from

2781
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:18,440
goofan would have no arguments anymore

2782
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:21,719
they could not say we don't fake things

2783
01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:24,780
or we haven't faked things recently the

2784
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,000
documentary addresses Rich's comments

2785
01:51:31,970 --> 01:51:29,280
that they haven't faked things recently

2786
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:31,980
IT addresses him lying to everyone

2787
01:51:36,649 --> 01:51:34,199
including his own audience saying they

2788
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:36,659
have it fake things or if it was proven

2789
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:38,400
that they fake things recently I just

2790
01:51:43,310 --> 01:51:40,260
couldn't associate with them

2791
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:43,320
this video this documentary addresses

2792
01:51:49,609 --> 01:51:44,520
that

2793
01:51:51,649 --> 01:51:49,619
brothers are Running Scared here they

2794
01:51:54,530 --> 01:51:51,659
know that if this documentary gets out

2795
01:51:57,649 --> 01:51:54,540
all of their talking points and lies of

2796
01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:57,659
the past six months including their

2797
01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:01,800
dispute with me uh I will be Vindicated

2798
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,020
here completely and so will everyone

2799
01:52:07,490 --> 01:52:05,760
else who says third phase is not

2800
01:52:09,950 --> 01:52:07,500
credible they're not to be trusted they

2801
01:52:12,370 --> 01:52:09,960
fake things for years when they started

2802
01:52:15,530 --> 01:52:12,380
recently

2803
01:52:18,410 --> 01:52:15,540
uh it's very troubling to me that they

2804
01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:18,420
copyright claimed and this is a hard

2805
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,100
strike friend so this person gets a

2806
01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:21,119
strike

2807
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:24,420
and they forced the video off of this

2808
01:52:29,149 --> 01:52:27,000
person's YouTube channel uh but like I

2809
01:52:31,490 --> 01:52:29,159
said we're gonna immediately when I am

2810
01:52:32,330 --> 01:52:31,500
off broadcast tonight I am developing a

2811
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,340
plan

2812
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,320
to make sure that this video will be

2813
01:52:39,169 --> 01:52:36,960
distributed far and wide uh and to

2814
01:52:42,169 --> 01:52:39,179
platforms that Blake cousins will be

2815
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,179
unable to get removed whatever it is I

2816
01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:43,920
have to do to get the truth out about

2817
01:52:50,810 --> 01:52:47,820
these people I will do now as far as

2818
01:52:52,189 --> 01:52:50,820
hosting it here myself that'll be

2819
01:52:54,169 --> 01:52:52,199
something that I have to consider

2820
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:54,179
strongly because I don't believe that I

2821
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,060
want to risk a hard strike and uh a

2822
01:53:00,410 --> 01:52:59,520
legal battle though I do have a very

2823
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,420
good

2824
01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:03,119
you know fair use legal defense letters

2825
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:05,400
which I will be sharing with this

2826
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:09,719
documentary uh filmmaker so that he can

2827
01:53:16,370 --> 01:53:13,199
fight this unjust attack on Free Speech

2828
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,380
it is clearly fair use what he did

2829
01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:19,440
taking clips of them faking things and

2830
01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:22,500
then showing people exactly how they

2831
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:24,300
fake those videos

2832
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:25,920
it's fair use

2833
01:53:31,550 --> 01:53:28,199
uh he did this to educate the public

2834
01:53:32,570 --> 01:53:31,560
about their fakery and

2835
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,580
um

2836
01:53:37,250 --> 01:53:34,560
I I just don't even know what else to

2837
01:53:39,470 --> 01:53:37,260
say why would somebody falsely copyright

2838
01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:39,480
claim somebody

2839
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:43,739
except he didn't want you my friends to

2840
01:53:50,270 --> 01:53:47,040
see this incredible two-hour documentary

2841
01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:50,280
Which documents 30 or 40 of their hoaxes

2842
01:53:54,890 --> 01:53:52,440
over the years

2843
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,900
it's very damaging to them especially

2844
01:53:58,490 --> 01:53:56,880
given their recent talking points

2845
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:58,500
they're not going to be able to use

2846
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,840
those talking points any anymore because

2847
01:54:05,330 --> 01:54:02,639
everyone's going to know that they fake

2848
01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:05,340
things in the past two years a lot

2849
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:08,280
so that is where we're at friends and

2850
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:10,800
that is where we find ourselves I will

2851
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:12,540
be back tomorrow night with Jeremy Mater

2852
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,880
and I apologize if I'm mispronouncing

2853
01:54:18,410 --> 01:54:16,980
his voice his name I'm gonna check in

2854
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:18,420
with him later and make sure that I

2855
01:54:22,609 --> 01:54:20,940
print it I'm pronouncing it correctly uh

2856
01:54:24,830 --> 01:54:22,619
but he is a very fact-based

2857
01:54:28,189 --> 01:54:24,840
evidence-based researcher and he has

2858
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,199
done some incredible deep dives into UFO

2859
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:30,960
crashes right in his area he went there

2860
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:33,840
he interviewed Witnesses he found out

2861
01:54:38,990 --> 01:54:36,480
all kinds of stuff it's an amazing story

2862
01:54:42,350 --> 01:54:39,000
that we are proud to bring you tomorrow

2863
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:42,360
night 9 p.m UFO crashes with Jeremy

2864
01:54:45,649 --> 01:54:44,100
Manor one of the other things I'll do is

2865
01:54:47,090 --> 01:54:45,659
immediately after ending the broadcast

2866
01:54:49,550 --> 01:54:47,100
tonight I'm going to put up tomorrow

2867
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,560
night's 9 p.m stream so you all will

2868
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,260
have the link ready and I will tweet it

2869
01:54:56,510 --> 01:54:54,480
out as well tonight I want to thank each

2870
01:55:00,109 --> 01:54:56,520
and every one of you for joining us

2871
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,119
I want to remind you uh to be back here

2872
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,639
tomorrow night at 9 00 PM where we will

2873
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:05,040
finally have a yes I'm calling this

2874
01:55:09,169 --> 01:55:06,780
person a credible researcher I've looked

2875
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,179
into his work very very impressive young

2876
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,000
man who is a boots on the ground go

2877
01:55:16,189 --> 01:55:13,920
there and interview people get to the

2878
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,199
truth and story kind of a guy and I

2879
01:55:21,950 --> 01:55:19,199
can't wait to dive into these many more

2880
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:21,960
than one UFO crashes that he have has

2881
01:55:27,470 --> 01:55:25,080
thoroughly thoroughly investigated and

2882
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:27,480
we'll be here to do that again 9 p.m

2883
01:55:32,570 --> 01:55:29,699
eastern time tomorrow I want to thank

2884
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,580
Leah and uh also apologize for being a

2885
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,800
terrible show host because of some of

2886
01:55:39,890 --> 01:55:36,960
this drama with this video being

2887
01:55:42,410 --> 01:55:39,900
copyright claimed I did not do what I

2888
01:55:44,689 --> 01:55:42,420
usually do which is to put her uh

2889
01:55:46,609 --> 01:55:44,699
YouTube channel and Twitter in the

2890
01:55:49,070 --> 01:55:46,619
description of the video I'll do that as

2891
01:55:50,990 --> 01:55:49,080
soon as we're off air tonight as well so

2892
01:55:53,330 --> 01:55:51,000
it should be in the in the bottom of the

2893
01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:53,340
video uh and I apologize to her for not

2894
01:55:57,950 --> 01:55:56,280
doing that sooner we'll get it done we

2895
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:57,960
want to thank each and every one of our

2896
01:56:03,470 --> 01:56:01,199
kind and generous benefactors I will do

2897
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:03,480
one more thing which is to check in we

2898
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:05,760
get a little uh this I got a little

2899
01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:08,280
distracted tonight uh talking to Leah

2900
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:09,960
her and I have so many common interests

2901
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:12,840
in our our history is so similar great

2902
01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:16,400
person to talk to uh let me make sure

2903
01:56:22,490 --> 01:56:19,800
that we we read each and every one of

2904
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,500
the the super chats so let me make sure

2905
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:24,960
that we've done that yes we did Patrick

2906
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:27,840
Sheehan with the Kylie generous 9.99 he

2907
01:56:32,890 --> 01:56:30,719
said great guest and topic

2908
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:32,900
um and then we will

2909
01:56:37,609 --> 01:56:35,520
uh mentioned

2910
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:37,619
uh that you can become a member here on

2911
01:56:43,609 --> 01:56:41,040
YouTube for five dollars a month and uh

2912
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:43,619
we recognize our channel members my

2913
01:56:49,609 --> 01:56:46,400
flock is everywhere we can have it 2 15

2914
01:56:52,970 --> 01:56:49,619
guy cracker Lindsey Gardner John

2915
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:52,980
Williams 76 degree Pyramid Power Cynthia

2916
01:56:58,669 --> 01:56:55,920
Mack Gary Arnold comply zaird Mr Fish

2917
01:57:01,129 --> 01:56:58,679
Martin Wright Sweet Caroline UFO John

2918
01:57:04,189 --> 01:57:01,139
Doe Sid vich Annie Kurtz and reload

2919
01:57:07,250 --> 01:57:04,199
reload those are our members here and we

2920
01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:07,260
want to thank them and recognize them uh

2921
01:57:10,609 --> 01:57:09,119
also you can become a patreon member for

2922
01:57:12,890 --> 01:57:10,619
as little as a dollar a month I gotta

2923
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:12,900
figure out if you want your name ran as

2924
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:14,820
a patreon supporter just email me your

2925
01:57:18,649 --> 01:57:16,980
chat room user ID because the problem is

2926
01:57:20,510 --> 01:57:18,659
a lot of people are on patreon is the

2927
01:57:22,129 --> 01:57:20,520
real name and I don't think everybody

2928
01:57:23,930 --> 01:57:22,139
wants me reading their real name but

2929
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:23,940
we'd be happy to recognize you patreon

2930
01:57:28,669 --> 01:57:26,880
supporters and thank you as well the

2931
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:28,679
other way of course that you can help us

2932
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:31,800
is by me reminding you to do the thing

2933
01:57:36,589 --> 01:57:33,900
that all good YouTubers remind you to do

2934
01:57:38,689 --> 01:57:36,599
which is to make sure you like comment

2935
01:57:40,189 --> 01:57:38,699
subscribe and share these videos it

2936
01:57:44,089 --> 01:57:40,199
really does help us with the YouTube

2937
01:57:46,490 --> 01:57:44,099
algorithms to reach more people uh also

2938
01:57:50,089 --> 01:57:46,500
I generally read all of the comments

2939
01:57:51,950 --> 01:57:50,099
respond to as many as I can uh and I try

2940
01:57:53,810 --> 01:57:51,960
to pin my favorite comment from every

2941
01:57:56,570 --> 01:57:53,820
show at the top so if you have a great

2942
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:56,580
comment it will be highlighted at the

2943
01:58:01,790 --> 01:57:58,639
top here we're trying to encourage more

2944
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:01,800
uh more discussion we love the

2945
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:04,380
discussion where Free Speech Zone here

2946
01:58:08,030 --> 01:58:06,239
you could say whatever you like but

2947
01:58:11,209 --> 01:58:08,040
please be respectful of all the guests

2948
01:58:13,729 --> 01:58:11,219
that's all that I ask you so that's all

2949
01:58:16,189 --> 01:58:13,739
we got for you friends uh until next

2950
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,199
time and next time we'll be again

2951
01:58:22,010 --> 01:58:18,960
tomorrow night at 9 00 PM Eastern

2952
01:58:24,830 --> 01:58:22,020
Standard time so that's all I got

2953
01:58:27,229 --> 01:58:24,840
friends until next time uh but I will

2954
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,239
remind you that we will be doing doing a

2955
01:58:32,990 --> 01:58:30,239
an update on this third phase of moon

2956
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:33,000
censoring the documentary exposing their

2957
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:35,360
fakery very very soon

2958
01:58:40,189 --> 01:58:38,520
as soon as I can possibly develop a plan

2959
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:40,199
to make sure that everybody is able to

2960
01:58:46,750 --> 01:58:43,199
see that documentary I will do it I

2961
01:58:50,209 --> 01:58:46,760
happen to now have a copy of it and uh

2962
01:58:52,729 --> 01:58:50,219
glad that I got a copy of it before it

2963
01:58:55,070 --> 01:58:52,739
was censored off the internet by the

2964
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:55,080
people who don't want you to see it and

2965
01:58:59,390 --> 01:58:57,599
that would be third phase Moon Blake and

2966
01:59:01,250 --> 01:58:59,400
Brent cousins and of course Richmond

2967
01:59:04,189 --> 01:59:01,260
Buffon really doesn't want you to see

2968
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:04,199
this video because it will prove him a

2969
01:59:08,270 --> 01:59:06,719
complete and total liar

2970
01:59:10,669 --> 01:59:08,280
um I don't know what else to say about

2971
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:10,679
that situation every time I think that

2972
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:13,199
this uh Dramarama is over they do

2973
01:59:17,149 --> 01:59:15,360
something else stupid like try to stop

2974
01:59:21,050 --> 01:59:17,159
people from seeing the proof that they

2975
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:21,060
fake things including recently uh but

2976
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:23,460
there you have it uh

2977
01:59:26,570 --> 01:59:25,199
yeah

2978
01:59:28,850 --> 01:59:26,580
so we'll be back tomorrow evening

2979
01:59:30,830 --> 01:59:28,860
friends until next time my name is

2980
01:59:33,169 --> 01:59:30,840
Stephen Camby and good night and God

2981
01:59:39,830 --> 01:59:33,179
bless all of you especially you Art Bell

2982
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:43,660
foreign

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[Music]

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thank you

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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ers

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02:02:47,620 --> 02:02:59,649
[Music]

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to come back

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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nature

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[Music]

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victory